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circadia (circadia) wrote in qaf_coffeeclub,
@ 2009-03-16 13:42:00

513
I'll make this quick and point me in the right direction if this has already been discussed:
Where the heck was Justin in 513 when everyone else was saying goodbye to Lindsay, Melanie and the kids? It just seems strange to me that he wouldn't be there.

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	vl_redreign 2009-03-16 04:02 pm UTC (link)
	You just HAD to ask that, didn't you?? lol No friggin clue. I'm going with saying bye to Daphne, Molly and Jen. nods (Reply to this) (Thread)

	happier_bunny 2009-03-16 04:24 pm UTC (link)
	That was my guess too! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

circadia
2009-03-16 09:43 pm UTC (link)

See, after reading a lot of the responses, I'm actually more inclined to go with your answer. I think he said his goodbyes to the girls in his own way, and the dads came to send them off (I'm thinking Ben was brought along by Michael asking). And he, unlike any of the rest of them, needed to say goodbye to Daphne, Molly and Jen so that he'd also have enough time to have hot!farewell!sex with Brian before he left :)

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	Who all was there? zortrana 2009-03-16 04:08 pm UTC (link)
	I can't remember! Was it just Michael, Brian, and Debbie? In that case maybe it was blood relatives only. Or was Ben there too? Personally, I hope Justin was busy making a Lindsay doll to stick voodoo pins in or hang in effigy. By that point, Lindsay was just a tour guide for Brian's guilt trips. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Who all was there? circadia 2009-03-16 04:13 pm UTC (link)
	LOL voodoo doll. You actually had my first reaction, maybe blood relatives? But Ben was there - it was Michael, Brian, Debbie and Ben seeing them off. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	frantic_quest 2009-03-16 04:26 pm UTC (link)
	He was wherever Cowlip sent him on the night of Babylon's re-opening! fumes at idiotic writers (Reply to this) (Thread)

	vl_redreign 2009-03-16 04:32 pm UTC (link)
	But see, the first Babylon scene had Em, Ted, Michael and Brian. So did the last scene. Forget that the spouses were there. It's better for your mental health. Besides, Justin was finishing up hanging paintings for his first show. Yep, that's my story and I'm sticking with it! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	butternutsquash 2009-03-16 04:44 pm UTC (link)
	Did Cowlip ever address the finale? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	vl_redreign 2009-03-16 04:59 pm UTC (link)
	I believe so. You need to ask Bunny or someone who watched during the original airing. I only read a few articles afterwards, including the infamous Shawn Postoff one. Trust me, DON'T READ IT. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	butternutsquash 2009-03-16 05:06 pm UTC (link)
	Ok, I won't read it! runs off to smooch DVDs and beloved fanfic (Reply to this) (Parent)

	frantic_quest 2009-03-16 09:40 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, yeah, I understand that full circle theory and I would have bought it hook, line & sinker except for the spouses. I didn't need happily ever after, just a little more consistency. hugs you for hanging paintings theory-my new canon (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	circadia 2009-03-16 09:44 pm UTC (link)
	I didn't need happily ever after, just a little more consistency LOL. I think that's a great way to put it about a few of these sorts of canonical HUH?-moments. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	frantic_quest 2009-03-16 10:02 pm UTC (link)
	Whatever it takes...that and infrequent viewings of the last 10 minutes of 513-lol!! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	circadia 2009-03-17 01:07 am UTC (link)
	:D As you said, whatever it takes. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	butternutsquash 2009-03-16 04:43 pm UTC (link)
	Justin had already said goodbye to the girls and the kids. Brian asked him not to go to the last goodbye, because Brian didn't want to worry about Justin crying and having to control himself. Brian probably didn't say those exact words, but something like, "No twats allowed to the goodbye." But Justin understood and had necessary supplies waiting for him at home. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	suze_y 2009-03-16 04:45 pm UTC (link)
	LOL I imagined something almost exactly like this when I read the question :) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	butternutsquash 2009-03-16 05:07 pm UTC (link)
	Yay, great minds... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

suze_y
2009-03-16 05:35 pm UTC (link)

LOL. In view of Bunny's rant just now, I feel compelled to distance myself from the "crying" bit of the scenario :D (Of course he's not a crying girl - we know that!) But I imagined Brian wanting to come home to Justin after it all and just decompressing, and that Justin would get that. I figure Justin was probably busy doing his own pre-New York stuff, and said his goodbyes to Mel, Lindsay, and the kids already.

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	butternutsquash 2009-03-16 05:38 pm UTC (link)
	I want to distant myself from the crying bit too, lol. But I wrote it, so I guess I can't. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	suze_y 2009-03-16 05:45 pm UTC (link)
	I didn't hear you say Justin would cry - just that Brian claimed he probably would :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	happier_bunny 2009-03-16 06:27 pm UTC (link)
	ROFL...now I see what you mean. If I had seen this, I just would have just commented. ;) Brian would have let Justin make his own decisions about when to say good-bye to the girls and I think that Justin probably did it on his own time since he had to get stuff ready for NY. ;) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	vl_redreign 2009-03-16 06:32 pm UTC (link)
	Forgive teh Bunny. She's sick and cranky. I actually just typed "cracky." snorts Justin still hates fangirls, but forgives anyone just poking fun. If you knock him up, though... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	butternutsquash 2009-03-16 06:42 pm UTC (link)
	What is visible!fangirl? I get that Justin hates her, but I don't know what she is. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	vl_redreign 2009-03-16 07:02 pm UTC (link)
	Ah...well, you'd have to read vamphile's brilliantly cracky Superstar, followed by Visisble. Then, onto this equally crack story that I wrote for a challenge using fangirl!hating!Justin. Then you'll understand. The fangirl parts come in Visible, and they are...it's crack at its finest. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	circadia 2009-03-17 08:48 pm UTC (link)
	OMG I just finished Superstar and am making my way through Visible. This is just...no words. Crazy fangirls, bodyguards. ROFL. When I finish Visible, I'll move on to yours. What fic is it? (Or which challenge?) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	vl_redreign 2009-03-17 09:19 pm UTC (link)
	It's here. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	happier_bunny 2009-03-16 06:47 pm UTC (link)
	bite me mistress If you knock him up...he gets really hormonal, although, I think Brian would be worse.. snort (Reply to this) (Parent)

	butternutsquash 2009-03-16 06:41 pm UTC (link)
	Really, I agree. But then I couldn't have written, "No twats allowed." It's kind of weird Justin wasn't there, just like it was kind of weird the girls were there for his prom night. These people are all up in each other's lives. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	happier_bunny 2009-03-16 06:44 pm UTC (link)
	LOL...but, I don't think it's weird at all. I think he and the girls have their own relationship that doesn't really include Brian and that's likewise why I don't think it's weird that they were there for the prom. The girls love him. ;) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	butternutsquash 2009-03-16 06:54 pm UTC (link)
	I guess we just hadn't seen that in a really long while. Not that he shouldn't have been there, or should have been there. Ted and Emmett weren't there either, so I guess it was just a family goodbye. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

happier_bunny
2009-03-16 06:57 pm UTC (link)

Brian letting Justin be himself is one of the most beautiful things about the love for me. One of the best examples I can think of is after Vic dies, Justin does what's best for him and goes back to the house. I also love how in season 3 both the girls and Deb let Justin know he was a part of their lives regardless of Brian. And how he KNOWS that so well that in season five, he visits the girls after he gets back from LA.

I love them so!

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	vl_redreign 2009-03-16 07:05 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, good call, Mistress! I totally agree. Deb was so pissed when Michael told her what he said to Justin, I thought she was gonna smack him!! Again. lol (Reply to this) (Parent)

	butternutsquash 2009-03-16 07:08 pm UTC (link)
	Sometimes I think that Brian is the most mature one of the bunch: he doesn't try to change Justin or try to make Justin happy (because happiness can only come from within, but Brian does thoughtful things for Justin). (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	happier_bunny 2009-03-16 07:10 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not sure I'd go that far but I agree that he does some very thoughtful things for Justin and it's oh so beautiful to watch him grow into accepting his love for Justin. :D (Reply to this) (Parent)

	circadia 2009-03-17 08:18 pm UTC (link)
	That's true, and we know Ted and Emmett had their own relationship with Lindsay and Melanie. Em put on their wedding and they trusted Ted with the college fund money, so they must have all done their goodbyes in their own time - with the dads wanting to see their kids right up until the last minute. (Reply to this) (Parent)

circadia
2009-03-16 09:32 pm UTC (link)

I agree that he and the girls have their own special relationship. He may associate them first off as "Brian's lesbians" to Daphne, but when he spends time with them, you see that relationship develop independently of his relationship with Brian - which we see when (1) they are probably the first people he calls and they give him a place to stay while Brian is dealing with Hotlanta (2) There for prom (3) His 19th birthday (although that brought on Ian *shudders*) (4) During the S3 breakup, they make sure to tell him he's still a part of their lives ... and so on and so on.

I guess he just said goodbye to them in their own way. I think I'm inclined to say, given all this insight, I'm leaning toward the idea that he made a point to go over at some point to say his goodbyes before they packed up the car, and just let Brian do his thing when he needed to say goodbye to one of his best friends and his son.
He's attached to Gus and the kids, just like Ben is attached to them (in a non-blood-relation, partner-is-a-father, cares-about-them way). But Michael and Ben are the more "couple-y" couple anyway, and I feel like Ben might have almost been hesitant to go but Michael asked/told him to come along, while Justin knew Brian might need his space to deal with the departure in his own way. Plus, he did need to say goodbye to Daphne and his mother but still leave time for hot!farewell!sex with Brian before leaving for NY.

I don't think Brian asked him to stay. I think it was one of those things Justin decided.

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	circadia 2009-03-16 09:39 pm UTC (link)
	These people are all up in each other's lives. Haha, well the are each others' surrogate families :) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

orange_fonts
2009-03-17 03:48 am UTC (link)

I agree that he and the girls have their own special relationship.

Agree. Just like Emmett. Justin is their baby, too.

I guess he just said goodbye to them in their own way. I think I'm inclined to say, given all this insight, I'm leaning toward the idea that he made a point to go over at some point to say his goodbyes before they packed up the car, and just let Brian do his thing when he needed to say goodbye to one of his best friends and his son.

Again agree. It’s like letting Brian and Michael have their “moments” with the mothers of their children and their children, of course. I believe that Justin would not let them leave without saying his proper goodbye. I believe he would have discussed with them, how to maintain contact and update each other. He loves Gus. Maybe, he would have played with him before saying his goodbye, reminded him to not forget him, tell him how much he loves him, etc. He loves the girls. There would be lots of hugs and kisses (I am getting teary eyed right now... shucks!!) He will do it his way, his own time. He gave them “going away” presents right. He was there to help them pack. I am not sure if the others (any of the gang) did their share to help. Brian was there to visit Gus one time, but I am not sure if he helped out. Anyway, you can actually ignore my ramblings now…

Plus, he did need to say goodbye to Daphne and his mother but still leave time for hot!farewell!sex with Brian before leaving for NY.

I totally agree again! LOL!

I don't think Brian asked him to stay. I think it was one of those things Justin decided.

They are able to read each other that well. Again.. agree! Wow, I am in a very agreeable mode today LOL. Just like when he tried to help patch things up between Brian and Michael, Justin is sensitive to Brian like that. “He misses him”. Just like the decision not to tell Brian about what he did with Kip. When they did the fundraising for the concerned citizens.. I am not sure I am making sense right now *toink* He sort of know when to be quiet and just stay in the background. SUN now… or else these ramblings will not stop.

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circadia
2009-03-17 11:20 am UTC (link)

I believe he would have discussed with them, how to maintain contact and update each other.Maybe, he would have played with him before saying his goodbye, reminded him to not forget him, tell him how much he loves him, etc.
There would be lots of hugs and kisses He will do it his way, his own time. He gave them “going away” presents right. He was there to help them pack.

Yes yes yes. I'm going to agree with your agreement :)
I can see this all. There's no way he would have let them leave with out saying his goodbyes. Even Justin mentions, he was there the night Gus was born; he named him. He loves that family too much to let them take off without so much as a goodbye.

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	squiffyneko 2009-03-16 07:45 pm UTC (link)
	That has always been my theory...that Brian asked him to stay home. (Reply to this) (Parent)

orange_fonts
2009-03-17 03:01 am UTC (link)

But see, the first Babylon scene had Em, Ted, Michael and Brian. So did the last scene. Forget that the spouses were there. It's better for your mental health.

Besides, Justin was finishing up hanging paintings for his first show. Yep, that's my story and I'm sticking with it!

Not just for better for the mental health actually, but better for the heart, too :-)

Wow! LOL. He must have a very good agent! But yes, since were friends here, as a moral support, I am sticking with your story, too.

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