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Wednesday, December 5th, 2007

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    4:36p
    15th Update: The Christmas Edition part II

    There is just sooo much holiday cheer. [/sarcasm]  Seriously though, there are a lot of articles about Christmas and the Holidays and I figured they might be similar enough that I could post them all together.  As always feel free to comment on anything pertaining to the articles.  The prompts are just suggestions and points I found interesting...though I tried to leave some of the more obvious stuff out because I don't want to be too repeative.  I should probably warn you (if you can't guess from some of the titles) that some of the are opinion articles on how Christmas is about Christ and should still remain a national USA holiday.  The issue isn't specifically pagan in nature, but it does apply.  Some people may find it offensive.

    http://www.redding.com/news/2007/nov/28/tehama/

    Tehama says OK to Santa

    1. Is the Depiction of Santa really “secular”?

    2. a county Halloween display of a pumpkin at the base of a guillotine, he said. If the county chose to recognize a religious holiday for Wiccans, it ought to do the same for Christians” This quote leads to a few questions: Is a pumpkin at the base of a guillotine a “pagan holiday symbol”? Is Halloween actually a “pagan holiday”? Since when is Halloween and the following day not a Christian holiday?

    3. Is removing Santa from the Department of Social Services appropriate? When is removing all/some/ or any religious or holiday displays from an office or a department appropriate?


    And as a follow up from a previous story:  http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=53219
    Wiccan Symbol Won't Be Placed Next to Nativity

      4. You know, I think all the questions I could ask about this have been asked, so throw you some of your own thoughts, feelings and opinions on this one.

    http://www.redbluffdailynews.com/ci_7600992

    Neighbors: Christmas has more than one meaning

      5. “Many holidays have two sides, pagan and Christian.” Does this statement ring true to you, why or why not

      6. “Most symbols of Christmas have a secular meaning and a Christian meaning.” Do you agree with this why or why not?

      7. Here we are again with the idea of Santa as a secular image, which leads me to asking: Do non-Christian children look forward to the arrival of Santa?

      8. Why should pagans or any other religions be asked to subscribe to a holiday name that doesn't belong to what they celebrate?

      9. Does a connection in some symbols used in solstice celebrations and Christmas celebrations make the two the same holiday? Are the themes or the actual nature of the celebrations that similar?


    Alright so I cheated a little. This one isn't really that holiday oriented.
    http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/nov/07113004.html

    Just in Time for Christmas - Canadian Broadcaster Floats Show on How Christ Didn't Really Exist

                  10. Based off of the synopsis here, what do you think of the show?

      11. Is there a problem with releasing this kind of special so close to the holidays?

      12. “The Post wrote, that the phenomenon of thousands of pilgrims responding to a papal invitation to deepen their spiritual lives, "does not compute in the mind of those middle aged bien pensants for whom the idea of moral certainty is alien and traditional institutional religion abhorrent."” Any reactions to this quote?

      13. Does anyone have any personal experience with the CBC? Do you think the is a fair article on their style of journalism?


    http://www.chieftain.com/life/1196502284/4

    There's good reason for calling the season 'Christmas'

      14. Do you find this article offensive, honest, uninformed, well researched, or something other? Please explain

      15. “Would there be any wintertime celebration in modern civilization if, for some reason, the events of Christmas didn't happen?” This is an interesting question, anyone have any thoughts?

      16. Do you agree with the jump in logics the author made? If not where do you see holes?

      17. “If one argues he should be able to rename Christmas as, say, "the winter holidays" and celebrate it without any acknowledgement of Jesus Christ, then a Christian should be able to celebrate, for instance, Ramadan, but with no recognition of Muhammad or the Quran. And rename it "the starve-until-after-sundown month."” Is this a fair statement?

    I guess you could call this an update on the Ft Collins stories I've posted  :http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=82013

    Outspoken sheriff helps erect Christmas tree to counter city policy

      18. No questions here.


    http://www.tomahjournal.com/articles/2007/12/02/opinion/02leecolumn.txt

    Column: America's Christian heritage slipping away

      19.Just your dose of “look at how much worse things could be, the majority could think like this” moment. I think the only coherent comment I can make is wow, and apparently both liberals and conservatives use the same people don't vote for what they really want speech.


    8:07p
    16th Update the Persecution News

    I just wanted to throw all the persecution articles in one update cause they are semi connected.  I'm for the ethnic slur in the title of one of the articles and I'm sorry if I began to have a little bit of attitude in the questions.  If you read enough of these articles they all start to sound a lot a like.  


    http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=7431144&nav=0RZF

    Foster parents who attended service with snakes sue over license

    1. Is handling snakes for religious or non-religious purposes really that big of a deal, especially if the children never attended?

    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22856102-662,00.html

    Male 'witch' sues for wrongful imprisonment

    2.Were the judges discriminating?

    3. Should there be a longer maximum sentence for the acts Fletcher was guilty of?


    http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20071130180218617

    National Dedication & Memorial of North Carolina's first VA-issued Pentacle Gravestone honors Wiccan Soldier killed in Iraq

      4. Is anyone else tired of hearing how the Pentacle seems to be a specifically Wiccan symbol?

      5. Should a what a person wants on a loved one's gravestone become a political issue?


    http://nwanews.com/bcdr/News/56313/

    A DAY IN THE LIFE : Life as a gypsy : A Bentonville pagan sorts through stereotypes.

      6. Do you think the in people in the article or writing the article realize that the g-- word is an ethnic slur to the Slavic people?

      7.“It's providing spiritual guidance and coming closer to family.” Do you think the parent who are concerned about this womans business being too close to the high school would feel closer to their children if they learned they wen to see her?


    http://media.www.theorion.com/media/storage/paper889/news/2007/12/05/Features/Pagans.Find.Purpose.In.Fighting.Stereotypes.Building.Community-3131975.shtml

    Pagans find purpose in fighting stereotypes, building community

               8.What did you think of the information provided in the article? Was it helping to fight stereo types?

      9.How do you feel about these fairly common news articles about “fighting the Christian view of witchcraft”? Is it still needed? Do you think it alters anyone's thoughts of feelings on the subject?

      10.Why do you think so many followers of paganism that news reporters find seem to be teenagers, college students, or have some sort of “magical name”?


    http://www.scc.losrios.edu/express/fa07/071129/071129pagan.html

    Just give me that ol’ time religion

    11. How do you define paganism?

    12.“When you get down to the core, the religions of the world are almost identical, but expressed in different languages,” Do you agree or disagree with this quote?




    8:11p
    17th Update a Movie Review?

    http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=E49AF193-A082-46FA-A0F0-BF589D828CAA

    "Beowulf" and Christ

    1. Has anyone here seen “Beowulf”? If so, do you think the depiction of the “pagans” is that of a “open-minded” or “free spirited” group? Is the depiction at all similar to the Norse people of the time?

    2. For people who have seen the movie, how often does this whole Christian vs pagan thing come up? Are the complaints in this article valid? Why or why not?

    3. Do you think that movies have had an over all “negative” view or Christianity?

    4. Do you think that movies and media over all have a “open minded” “free spirited” take on paganism?

    5. Considering the movies with “negative views of Christianity” are set back at a time when the Catholic church was highly corrupt and violent, is it still inappropriate or prejudice to depict them with that historical coloring?

    6. Are movies required to be faithful to reality?

    7. Are producers, directors, and writers responsible for the messages that people gain from their works?

    8. Were the intentions of “Beowulf” to put down Christianity and praise paganism?

    8:13p
    18th Post Really Just Because It's Interesting

    http://www.thestar.com/living/article/280680

    Fortune-tellers a hit in Iran

    1. Do you think that the popularity of fortune tellers implies that people are in need of hope and distraction?

    2. Is fortune telling wrong within the Muslim doctrine?

    3. Does it make sense to discourage fortune telling because it lacks a scientific or logical basis?



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