But some fen *are* saying, "it's unpleasant, and it's band for fandom as I perceive it and wish it to be."
But what I keep trying to ask in this thread (without a whole lot of success, I'm afraid) is *how* is it bad for fandom? What are they *doing* that has a negative effect outside their own circle, what *is* that negative effect, and how does it operate within the fandom community at large? The complaints mostly come across as so amorphous. At least with the various racism/misogyny/etc. controversies that I think you're referring to, there were *specific behaviors* being identified as problematic.
Not sure we'll get much further here, though. Thanks for taking the time to toss this back and forth with me!