p_zeitgeist (![[info]](https://www.insanejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} p_zeitgeist) wrote in ![[info]](https://www.insanejournal.com/img/community.gif){kind=small} metafandom,@ 2009-06-26 18:22:00 |
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Friday, June 26, 2009
- phoebe_zeitgeist: Why we fight; or, what is fanfic for? - Not all readers are looking for comfort reading, and not all writers are trying to provide it. And that's where things get complicated. Those of us on the other side have interests that we may reasonably consider threatened by a warnings-everywhere standard, and we don't derive much (if any) benefit from standard labels on stories. -
- commodorified: On warnings and what I think about them, an essay by Marna Nightingale aged 39-and-a-half. - If I'm going to ask people to read stuff based entirely on a fandom, a list of characters, and the fact that it's me writing it, I need to make sure that they can trust me to do my best to make sure that that experience of diving into a story to see what happens isn't going to be triggering or damaging for them. We're going for enjoyable uncertainty, here. -
- seperis: warnings, spoilers, and everything - I would not have said three days ago that it would be easy to stop, go back, stare at my fic, and decide if a warning is required. I was wrong; it's shockingly easy to do so. -
- bethbethbeth: Confessions of a Former Warning-a-phobe - I've been involved with online fandom since the mid-90's and have seen something on the order of two dozen major conversations about warnings come and go. Until now, I've generally aligned myself (in a passive sort of way) with the no-warnings camp, but in the wake of this recent round of debates and discussions, I've changed my mind. -
- vito_excalibur: indefinitive definitions - For those just joining (why did you click on the cut tag?) noncon stands for non-consensual, and dubcon stands for dubious consent. That is simple enough; but I've seen a couple of people now talk about why these tags, how is "non-consensual sex" different from rape? [...]speaking only for myself, this is what I think the difference is. I would now like to illustrate this difference with pirates. -
- makishef: Warnings Debate: My two cents as a casual consumer. - Most days, I prefer things that will make me laugh. I've got enough stress and enough to make me sweat in my daily life, so I am probably looking for some schmoopy rom-com style fic... -
- disarm_d: warnings in stories - Well, obviously it is impossible for authors to warn for everything. No one is asking for that. It is impossible to anticipate all of the possible triggers that people might have, and would be more trouble than it was worth. -
- latentfunction: warnings and such - People who think that running stuff by your friends is actually a workable way to consume fannish stuff must be coming from someplace where they don't have to deal with stuff triggering them. I can't understand how someone could say that if they knew what they were talking about. -
- shopfront: Warnings wank and living with mental health related triggers. - As a person with triggers, what I've been hearing is that the discrimination, constant triggers, and the constant threat of triggers that victims of assault and people with mental illness face each day both on and offline are essentially of little consequence. That the safe(r) space many people have been making loud and concerted efforts to create in fandom, a place where we talk about harm and problematic language and behaviour - both intentional and otherwise - doesn't extend to people with triggers. -
- badgerbag: I'm with willow here... - Seriously people feel the need to tiptoe around asking other people to check to see if their fiction is "safe" or not? Do people want the whole damn internet filtered too? -
- macgeorge1: Warning Wanking - We ARE a community. The community is largely formed by a shared caring about media characters that each one of us feels a highy intense, personal connection to. It is irresponsible to assume that abusing those characters doesn't, in some very real and personal way, deeply affect the community's members, some far more than others. -
- naraht: Age gap warnings - Do you think writers ought to warn for pairings with a significant age gap, where both parties are above the age of consent? If so, what is your rule of thumb for when a warning is necessary? -
- ficbyzee: One last thing-- - I think that maintaining some skepticism with regards to white people using language that originated with anti-racists is probably a good thing. However, I had really hoped that fandom might have grasped the basic concept of intersectionality by now. -
- wemblee: warning debate, take three billion - And I've started to shift on the warning debate and become much more sympathetic to the pro-warning folks, because I feel the debate itself has shifted, has become more political, and because I've shifted, politically, as well. I'm farther to the left than I was ten years ago (I hope I'm even farther ten years from now), and while I was always a feminist, my understanding of feminism has shifted from what it was. -
- contrariangie: It turns out, I do have something to say. - No warning labels isn't like an unknown cake existing at a bake sale and someone who is allergic to peanuts not asking what's in it first. It's like three things, all containing peanuts, being at the bake sale, with two of them bearing labels that say "warning: contains peanuts" and the third not bearing a label. -
- sinsense: Danger ranger likes your dress. - It's important to realize that analogies, however, like metaphors, are descriptive. They illustrate the problem; they don't offer solutions. Even worse, I often see them used in online discussions as a means of distracting from the core of the discussion. -
- allthespoons: untitled - Warn if you are sure that your fic includes non-con, dub-con, abuse, assault or violence, SI, character death, drug abuse, eating disorders, domestic violence, or suicide. Warn if you are NOT sure that your fic includes these things, but it might. Warn if you DON'T think your fic involves these things, but you can see how people might think that it does. -
- ficbyzee: untitled - Some of the comments I've been reading claim that how can we be expected to warn for triggery stuff if there's no consensus as to what can be triggery, but I think there is consensus--or at least, I feel that it's been made very clear to me that I should specifically warn for anything involving dubious consent. -
- rivkat: Now that I'm writing all this gen, I'm thinking about non-con - Because the line between non- and dub-con differs for different people, having all three terms available seems like the best compromise I've seen. At the same time, it leaves open the possibility that someone will want a warning for non-con or rape and the author will disagree that that's what happens in the story. -
- lcsbanana: This post is my response to Darkrose's comments on the warnings/triggering argument - Consensual sexual violence is still violence. It is also completely okay, not pathological or wrong in any way, and not something anyone should ever, ever be made to feel bad about liking. But the fact is, my fantasy life--and someday, god willing *g*, my RL sex life--contains violence, and it can hurt people. My responsibility is to make a good faith effort to prevent it from hurting people, and to make things right when it does. -
- esorlehcar: I've mostly stayed out of the warnings debate this time around - You know what fucking triggers me? It triggers me when rape and abuse survivors come forward and aren't believed. It triggers me when people who have abused and brutalized come forward and share their stories[...]and are called liars and attention whores, when their concerns are dismissed as the hysteria of someone who hates herself and is lashing out at everyone because they're not strong enough to face their attacker. -
- inlovewithnight: PSA for vidders - If you have vids hosted at iMeem...well, you won't for very much longer. -
- thanfiction: To my great-aunt Muriel, I leave a pillow, that she may sit comfortably with that stick up her ass - Okay, so we all know that we need a will. Like it or not, being born has a 100% mortality rate, and even for those of us who aren't exactly Bill Gates, a will is an important document that is just as vital for a 18 year-old as an 80 year-old. -