August 12th, 2007

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Rules and Community Info

I've started this community because despite what I've seen on other journaling sites I don't believe that fandom is all about wank and hate, or that having fun necessarily means being cruel to other people.

This community is to give all fandoms a place to discuss anything fandom related. It doesn't have to be only things we're happy with but it does have to be discussed without wank and flaming.

Community Rules

What You Can Post )

What You Can't Post )

To be clear if myself or a mod believe you have purposely set out to create wank here, the post will be deleted and you will be banned. No warnings.

For everything else you'll be warned for the first offense; second offense you'll be moderated, this creates more work for us so it will make us unpleasant so don't do it; third offense is banning.

Now for those rules, I understand that things you don't think should be wank-y can move in that direction so we won't be deleting you immediately if that happens. I'm talking about those posts of "Look what this idiot did" or "X is a F****** B****" Or "look how bad this fic is" those are meant to hurt from the beginning and will get you immediately deleted. If real debate/discussion starts to deteriorate to that we'll warn you to be careful of where it's going first.

Everything will run more smoothly if we use tags. Below are a list of tags already created for this comm. But please tag with what fandom you're discussing or reccing for if it's one specific fandom not general for everyone.
art rec artist rec author rec fic rec
meta discussion multi-fandom site or community pimping

Remember the point of this community is to have fun and enjoy our fandom.


[info]shannon730 in [info]fandom_love

Intro and Artisitc/Literary Merit?

First let me say hi, now that a few people have joined. I know a couple of you but not all of you and I'm thrilled to see that others are interested in a place for postive fandom discussion.

For those of you that don't know me, I'm Shannon. I run several websites and write fic in both BTVS and HP fandoms.

Anyway, as I think most people know the most recent deletions at LJ have mentioned Artistic Merit and I've seen a lot of views on that. What I've noticed is that I seem to define artistic merit differnetly than many of the people I've seen commenting.

Most of what I've seen are comments saying the drawings were badly rendered. That's how merit is being defined by many people. I don't think that's what was said at all. Artistic Merit to me isn't the quality of the artwork itself. I've seen work by both artists it's very well done in the techical aspects. I was...way back when I first went to college in art major. I see the merit question as being more about what is taken a way from seeing these drawings. The story behind it, sort of.

Artistic and Literary merit to me are about the story the work tells. That's why art is being hit harder. It's not about the art being good or bad, it's because there isn't a story behind it. You can read a fic with teen-agers having sex with an adult and see the story, what led to that scene, why this 17 year old made a choice on their own, coercerin wasn't involved; it's a story. With a drawing you don't have that story. You just see the surface, the 17 year old having sex with a 40 year old. If the art is connected to a longer story the results may be different.

Understand, I am not in anyway saying LJ handled it well. They didn't. I'm not even saying those drawings were necessarily child-porn. What I'm questioning is the defiition of Merit.

I'd love to hear other opinions on this, how you all define merit. I know at least one of you does artwork so you must have opinions on this.

January 2009

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