Ok, gotcha. Never was big into Lyons, but that makes sense, too. She wasn't tied to anything that would break -hence the broken snap, and ripped in two woven lunge (it turned into my back up, after she snapped the snap on the lead)...and she doesn't panic. She pulls back, gives a good jerk, breaks it, then stands dociley, like "ok. I'm happy now, and I'll stand here all day, if you want. Just don't tie me to anything, and we're good." It defies all logic. Unless she's jsut so damn smart, she'll only do something if she chooses. IE tying not being a choice, stanidng being one. Oi. I sound like my horses are actually human children, LOL.