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drsevarius (drsevarius) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-08-25 17:19:00

Entry tags:

char: she-dragon, char: the dragon, creator: erik larsen, publisher: image comics, title: savage dragon

Johnny Redbeard's Nixed Men

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	crinosg 2009-08-25 09:25 pm UTC (link)
	I actually have this comic: Savage Dragon vs. the Megaton Man. Probably the only Savage Dragon/Megaton man comic I own. (Reply to this)

	volksjager 2009-08-25 09:53 pm UTC (link)
	I actually like "Danger Unlimited", wish Byrne would go back to it. (Reply to this)

	daningram 2009-08-25 10:02 pm UTC (link)
	So Erik Larson's idea of meta is ham fistingly declaring how he's better than everyone. Nice. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	arbre_rieur 2009-08-25 11:04 pm UTC (link)
	Yep, 'cause you're only allowed to criticize others when you personally can do better. There goes 90% of Internet criticism... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	crinosg 2009-08-25 11:18 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, you ever read that CBR article where he calls every writer who doesn't do original work a punch of pussies? Yeah, stay classy Larson. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	volksjager 2009-08-26 01:01 am UTC (link)
	Yeah sad to say ,I tend to think you lash out like this when your out of ideas for your own product... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

une_croix
2009-08-26 11:48 am UTC (link)

Yet, Dragon is still going over a decade later - throughout that time dozens of major characters have been killed off, countless new ones introduced, Dragon joined a government run superhero group, his Earth was destroyed, he was sent to an alternate Earth filled with Kamandi-esque mutated insects and animals, he got married, his wife was killed, and his children have grown into young adulthood and are having "adventures" of their own (this is just what I can recall off the top o' my head - there's been much, much more).

Larsen hadn't run out of ideas back then (he was just getting started!) and he certainly hasn't now.

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	(Anonymous) 2009-08-26 04:30 am UTC (link)
	Particularly bad when you consider that Larsen isn't actually better. I mean, go read his Nova series. It was so bad, I gave up after 3 pages. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	foxhack 2009-08-25 10:21 pm UTC (link)
	Gratuitous ass shot! NINETEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!! (Reply to this)

box_in_the_box
2009-08-25 10:34 pm UTC (link)

On the one hand, this made me chuckle.

On the other hand, any comic book "professional" who engages in this level petty-minded bitch-assery automatically loses all whining rights whenever mere fans behave similarly rudely toward creators.

Seeing shit like this makes me think of that old '80s anti-drug PSA, where the dad who looks like a balding Mario demands of his son, "Who taught you how to do this stuff? ANSWER ME!", only to have the kid yell back, "YOU, all right? I learned it by watching you!"

Narrator voice: Comic book creators who act like Internet trolls have FANS who act like Internet trolls.

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arbre_rieur
2009-08-25 11:11 pm UTC (link)

"On the other hand, any comic book "professional" who engages in this level petty-minded bitch-assery automatically loses all whining rights whenever mere fans behave similarly rudely toward creators."

Shouldn't it be more that they lose all such rights when John Byrne is being rude to them, Byrne being the target of this comic?

Of course, it's not as if Byrne's ever needed an excuse to be rude to someone. Or perhaps it's more accurate to say he's all too willing, ready, and eager to make excuses for being rude to others...

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box_in_the_box
2009-08-25 11:24 pm UTC (link)

And here we come to the heart of the problem - in a Larsen versus Byrne bitch-slap fight, THERE ARE NO WINNERS.

Yes, Byrne certainly deserves criticisms for COUNTLESS things he's done, but by the same token, even most people who DON'T like a lot of Byrne's other work STILL like She-Hulk, so by including She-Hulk's portrayal under Byrne's pen under the heading of "Byrne's bad stuff," it looks like Larsen is just bitching about Byrne to hear himself bitch.

I mean, I'm no fan of Byrne, either, but if I were to cite his Fantastic Four run as "proof" of what a hack he is, I'd be condemned as a hater for the sake of hating, and rightly so, because his FF (father-daughter level age-play issues aside) was a darned good run.

And I guess that's where this fails for me - yes, Byrne arguably Has It Coming, but Larsen himself is probably the wrong person to try and deliver that smackdown, not in the least because his attempt to lay into Byrne falls short of as good a satirical dissection as it could have been, and instead comes across as little more than one bitter, grudge-wanky former "superstar" creator picking a fight with someone who's a lot more like himself than either one of them would care to admit.

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	une_croix 2009-08-26 06:34 am UTC (link)
	"former "superstar" creator" This is from well over a decade ago - Larsen was a then-current superstar. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thandrak 2009-08-25 11:19 pm UTC (link)
	Namor, Superman and She-Hulk, of course. (The telekinetic aura of Superman, you recall from Crisis?) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-08-26 03:13 pm UTC (link)
	Superman having a telekinetic aura was only Post-Crisis, from Man of Steel onwards (and I STILL like it better as an idea than Superman just having hyperdense muscles) (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	thandrak 2009-08-26 04:30 pm UTC (link)
	Which was written by... Byrne. As was the Namor series referenced in the panel, as was the She-Hulk series referenced in the panel. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-08-26 05:26 pm UTC (link)
	Well, yes, I do know that, it was only the Crisis, Post-Crisis bit I was commenting on. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thandrak 2009-08-26 04:31 pm UTC (link)
	I did mean 'the just post Crisis period', admittedly. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	une_croix 2009-08-26 02:30 am UTC (link)
	Quite funny really - and the points are valid. The un-needed and jarring revamps, the abandoned projects (second only to Liefeld at this point). (Reply to this)

	geoffsebesta 2009-08-26 04:47 am UTC (link)
	It's fortunate that I have a very immature sense of humor, because I love this. Is Redbeard Byrne all the time, or just right here? (Reply to this)