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espanolbot (espanolbot) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-07-06 23:37:00

Entry tags:

char: cyborg/vic stone, group: teen titans, in-joke: context is for the weak, in-joke: herodickery, publisher: dc comics

Superman vs. the Teen Titans, and a Wonder Woman question

Vic is wandering through town one day, when suddenly he notices Superman is acting oddly.

Superman then tears off one of Vic's legs and throws him off a building.

Badly injured, Cyborg calls on his fellow Titans for help. Can they stop Superman? :O

Somehow offpanel Superman gets Donna in a throatgrabbing hold,

Then pre-eyegouging Jericho saves the day.

The End! ...sort of.

I do like Superman's oddly Doctor Doom-ish dialogue there. 'Cept the "scorned by all the beautiful women in the world" comment, Doom just wins them over with his... er... personallity I guess.

Anyway, the question, possibly for Bluefall or one of the other Wonder Scholars out there. :)

In some trades I read, they explained Wonder Woman being on the 40's JSA team by saying she got there by time-travel or something. She even had a relationship with Ted Grant in some stories, and they have joked about how she ended up in the "secretary" position on the team etc.

Presumably people knew that a Wonder Woman was out and about during the War, but if that's the case, how come people didn't say "Hey, it's Wonder Woman, that superheroine from the 1940s!" or something similar when Diana appeared on the scene in the 80's or whenever Diana appeared in the modern canon?

I mean, someone must have recognised the costume, at least, surely?

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jlroberson
2009-07-06 11:02 pm UTC (link)

SUPERMAN scorned by the world's women? And wait, is he threatening her with rape? (In and of itself, Superman having sex with a woman would constitute at least attempted murder. See Larry Niven, and Ennis' THE PRO for a demonstration)

I remember this--wasn't this the very first post-MAN OF STEEL Action Comics, when it became DCP for a while? Launched the same month as Superman 1? And we go there? Yeahh, I remember being a bit put off by that at the time. Byrne, that doesn't belong in Superman, ever. No grimdark.

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	espanolbot 2009-07-06 11:05 pm UTC (link)
	To be fair, it does kind of make sense in context. Not very pleasant tasting sense, but context none the less. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	brandiweed.livejournal.com 2009-07-06 11:13 pm UTC (link)
	SUPERMAN scorned by the world's women? And wait, is he threatening her with rape? Forget it, Jake-- it's John Byrne. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thebat_man 2009-07-09 01:35 am UTC (link)
	It should be explained: that's not Superman. That's scientist David Gundersen possessing Superman's body by his invention - a mind-transfer device. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jlroberson 2009-07-09 01:50 am UTC (link)
	Oh, I totally forgot. But then, I recall I only read it once. Didn't like Action then so much. (Reply to this) (Parent)

gargoylekitty
2009-07-06 11:14 pm UTC (link)

Timeline issues. Perez's Wonder Woman(late 80s) was supposed to be a reboot of the character ignoring the character's existence before that(though keeping some of the same elements). So at that point it was essentially being treated as 'Wonder Woman didn't exist in the DCU pre-that period in time'. It wasn't until Byrne(mid-90s) that the storyline of Hippolyta being Wonder Woman during the War and the time traveling thing was brought up. So in that regard the characters in the 80s/early 90s comic didn't acknowledge 40s Wonder Woman because at that point in time it hadn't technically happened yet.

Does that make sense? Damned continuity...

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	espanolbot 2009-07-06 11:16 pm UTC (link)
	Aaaah, that makes sense. :) A timey wimey ball, thing. nods Or how in the Justice League cartoon elderly people only recognise the team from the past AFTER they travelled back to the 40s and helped the Black Hawks etc. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	icon_uk 2009-07-06 11:25 pm UTC (link)
	I can't see Cyborg here without hearing the Black Knight scene in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"... "Come back here and I'll bite you on the ankle!" (Reply to this)

	perletwo 2009-07-06 11:31 pm UTC (link)
	I'm seeing the "You'll never learn you INFERIOR creatures!" page twice. Is something else supposed to be in there for the second one? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	espanolbot 2009-07-06 11:35 pm UTC (link)
	No, that was a mispost sadly. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ian_karkull 2009-07-07 12:27 am UTC (link)
	Don't be sad, seeing Donna tie up Superman, only to get hosed down yet again in the very next panel made me lol pretty hard. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	galateus 2009-07-06 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	Ohh, so that's where I saw that panel before. What just got thrown in Superman's eye? (...Is it monkey-Beast Boy throwing green crap?) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	espanolbot 2009-07-06 11:36 pm UTC (link)
	Jericho with dye-balls or something, I think. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	saralakali 2009-07-06 11:55 pm UTC (link)
	Mis-colored rotten tomato thrown by a bystander or possibly the real Superman Yes, all that superdickery is due to a body-swap. (Reply to this) (Parent)

mysteryfan
2009-07-06 11:46 pm UTC (link)

I just had to go read a review, because I was like: Whaaaaa? Superman is NOT threatening Donna like that.

I was so glad to find out that *that* isn't Superman at all. http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/post-crisis-classic-reviews/c-review-classicpostcrisis.php?topic=act584

Still is obnoxious to include, still hardly a proud 'first example of post-crisis Superman in Action Comics' moment, but at least... you know, it's not him.

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	galateus 2009-07-07 12:23 am UTC (link)
	Ah, I figured as much, but I kinda assumed it was a pre-existing supervillain, not some guy we'll never hear of again. The misogyny made me think Dr. Psycho (especially considering it's Wonder Girl here). Wasted opportunity! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	thebat_man 2009-07-09 01:32 am UTC (link)
	Exactly. That's not Superman. That's scientist David Gundersen possessing Superman's body by his invention - a mind-transfer device. I'm surprised the thread starter didn't explain that. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	espanolbot 2009-07-09 01:33 am UTC (link)
	I didn't provide the context on purpose, because Superman acting like a supervillain for no reason is funnier. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kingrockwell 2009-07-07 04:26 am UTC (link)
	I'm gonna have to apologize here, because I read Vic in that first line and got all excited. Then I remembered...Titans. (Reply to this)

	minarho1 2009-07-09 06:30 pm UTC (link)
	Huh. So Donna's lasso is made of scientific polymers? I thought it was a tiny piece of Diana's lasso? Or something like that if I remember the silver age origin story correctly. (Reply to this)