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pyrotwilight (pyrotwilight) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-06-06 22:19:00

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char: captain america/steve rogers, char: dr. doom/victor von doom, char: hawkeye/ronin/clint barton, char: human torch/johnny storm, char: professor x/charles xavier, char: rogue/anna marie, char: she-hulk/jennifer walters, char: spider-man/peter parker, char: storm/ororo munroe, char: thor, char: wolverine/logan/james howlett, creator: jay faerber, publisher: marvel comics, title: what if

What If...? #114 Daddy Doom
Given that it's Doom week and I've kinda wanted to post this for some time and it also has cross dimensional spawn and fun What if ness all packed into one I bring scans daily 10 pages (from a 32 page comic) about What if...the people who were abducted by the Beyonder stayed on Battleworld for 25 years and had to co-exist, unable to return home to Earth?

It's also one of my favorite if not THE one What If I've always wanted to see continued, especially given that it's ending lends itself to that...

The story opens with Balder Blake/Bravado's birthday party. (Balder being the son of Enchantress and Thor)

Among the couples we fins out in this Earth are Steve Rogers and Rogue (though she's called Carol and Jay Faerber the writer says that it means that Carol Danvers is the personality in control) and Storm and Wolverine. As well as Wasp and Human Torch which is a fun odd couple.

Over in Castle Doom...

Daddy Doom and son. Vincent Von Doom/Malefactor. His mother as said here is Enchantress, meaning he's half brothers with Bravado/Balder. I love how despite everything Doom still keeps to himself but even he has gotten a tad nicer, not causing havok and having ulterior schemes and whatnot in this universe.

That's pretty awesome, Professor X in an Iron Man suit to get around. And we see the memorials of the heroes who died in this universes Secret War which resulted in the Beyonder and Galactus dying, stranding the rest here.

Back at Castle Doom

Malefactor decides to become the ruler of Battleworld much like Doom would've done back on Earth.

This leads him to recruiting the kids of the former villains who aren't all that evil since everbody's more or less friends except for dear old Malefactor but in the end it causes the heroes kids to come together as their own ragtag Avengers.

Steve is one of the first to notice the kids went somewhere when trying to find one of his belongings...

Kids on that page.

Sara Rogers/Crusader (Steve and Rogue, from Rogue has inherited Ms. Marvel's super strength)
Matthew Storm/Firefly (Human Torch and Wasp's son)
Clinton Barton Jr./ Mustang (She-Hulk and Hawkeye's son)
Balder Blake/Bravado (Thor and Enchantress as said earlier)
Kendall Logan/Torrent (Storm and Wolverine's daughter)

Then some fighting begins with Malefactor and Bravado fighting with Bravado losing. Sadly he can't pick up his dad's hammer which probably would be enough to beat up Malefactor...

But dear old Crusader CAN pick it up and dual wielding her dad's shield and Thor's hammer out awesomes Malefactor.

But before they can get to him and beat him up...

Ouch, Doom killed Enchantress? That was pretty damn mean.

Doom poofs off with Malefactor and then expositiony story happens.

Hulk who seperated himself from the others ever since the Secret Wars has been trying to think of a way home (this Hulk seems to be equal parts Banner and Hulk) and has finally succeeded. But the parents are worried about going back to Earth since they've come to love this world and decide not to take Hulk's way home, especially after the Watcher pops up leaving everyone to think that it means that their decision could lead to something huge.

The kids shortly after however decide to break their parents decision and go to Earth themselves to scope it out.

They run into a Sentinel almost immediately...

And so endeth a monumentally awesome story that I wish would've gotten the Spider-girl treamtment and continued.

Hope you liked the story as I did. Choosing pages was REALLY hard and much more awesome exists in the other pages so if you ever see it I heartily suggest you pick it up.

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	freezer818 2009-06-06 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	And so endeth a monumentally awesome story that I wish would've gotten the Spider-girl treamtment and continued. Or at the very least, have The Exiles pop in. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-06 10:05 pm UTC (link)
	True true. I hear they also popped up in one of the last issues of Avengers Forever but too my knowledge didn't do anything. Sigh. It makes me so sad. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	volksjager 2009-06-06 10:09 pm UTC (link)
	THIS was the only good idea What If? story from the second series. They was enough energy and story for its own series. Much better then the original secret wars... (Reply to this) (Thread)

pyrotwilight
2009-06-06 10:15 pm UTC (link)

I don't know about THAT. They had a bunch of stories that were fun. But only this and Spider-girl seemed to have any real way to continue or reason to.

I also liked What if Blink lived. If Punisher Killed Spiderman. Silver Surfer Possessed the Infinity Gauntlet. And if the FF's second child had lived among others though I will say the good stories WERE rather few.

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	freezer818 2009-06-06 10:32 pm UTC (link)
	If Namor Joined The FF was good, as well. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	freezer818 2009-06-06 10:34 pm UTC (link)
	But this was definitely the best of the bunch after the shift to straight AUs instead of "X happened instead of Y". (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-06 10:36 pm UTC (link)
	I could never bring myself to read those. Especially since I never knew what I was gonna get. At least with the other What If's the title would give me a clue. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	dorksidefiker 2009-06-07 10:04 am UTC (link)
	What about What If Impossible Man got the Infinity Gauntlet? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-08 02:27 am UTC (link)
	It was ok but silly, aside from Impossible Man. It irked me that the Infinity Gauntlet there wasn't able to really fix anything. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	icon_uk 2009-06-07 07:30 am UTC (link)
	"What if... the X-Men and New Mutants had remained in Asgard?" was a fun story for those whp stayed (and meant Doug not only survived, but prospered) but also left a new iteration of X-Men back on Midgard it would have been fun to follow. (Reply to this) (Parent)

greedyslayer
2009-06-06 10:57 pm UTC (link)

All the implications around Spider-Man's fate here were infinitely interesting and creepy. THIS makes me appreciate the original Symbiote origin better--I usually prefer (and still do, this just makes me appreciate it better) the later revisions, where it's a more simple accidental drop-off on Earth mixing with Astronaut Jameson's exploits, or a result of genetic engineering from Earth.

Doom Jr. is rendered disturbingly hot.

Ditto that it would've been cool if this got the Spider-Girl treatment.

And I do just really enjoy the concept of them actually being stuck on another world that long, settling down, and growing to get along with former foes.

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	crinosg 2009-06-06 11:13 pm UTC (link)
	Well, it wasn't posted here, but in this issue, during the big fight, Klaw (or maybe someone else, I think it was Klaw) blasts Spidey with a sonic weapon, temporarily driving the symbiote off.... and revealing that all that was left was a bare skeleton. So yeah. (Reply to this) (Parent)

pyrotwilight
2009-06-06 11:42 pm UTC (link)

Yeah it's a pretty fun thing to think about. That if you placed a bunch of heroes and villains together that they'd eventually all just hang out and becomes buddies and the bad guys would reform.

I've always found how Venom's origin was tweaked in animation's kinda funny. I remember one day just kinda thinking of the two and realizing how different they were. Like an executive looked at Venom's origin and decided "Fuck it, let's give an abridged version" and it became canon for the media interpretations thereafter.

Le sigh. Maybe if I bug Marvel enough. It annoys me the most because they have that whole Genext thing going on in Marvel right now sporadically making up new characters when they could've just continued this instead.

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	aaron_bourque 2009-06-06 10:59 pm UTC (link)
	WHAT IF . . . starring: SECRET WARS!!! . . . bwuh? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-06 11:12 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah they just used the top logo and inserted whatever under. Thus causing grammatical interests like that. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	This was one of my favorites... urbanbohemian 2009-06-06 11:17 pm UTC (link)
	The only thing that came close to a continuation was the direct to dvd movie, Next Avengers, which thankfully never got a sequel. :) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: This was one of my favorites... pyrotwilight 2009-06-06 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	Blarg. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: This was one of my favorites... urbanbohemian 2009-06-06 11:34 pm UTC (link)
	QFT, my friend. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: This was one of my favorites... icon_uk 2009-06-07 07:34 am UTC (link)
	Oh I dunno, it was interesting to see a NON-X-centric dystopian future, I liked the Iron Avengers, and a couple of the kids had potential... (Reply to this) (Parent)

	silver_raven 2009-06-06 11:24 pm UTC (link)
	Ah Torrent, maybe one day you'll find your way into the 616 U. Mutants need to make more babies after all and who better than Storm and Wolvie! (Reply to this) (Thread)

pyrotwilight
2009-06-06 11:29 pm UTC (link)

XD. Dimensional spawn are always fun. It's why I lurp the Exiles and their character like Magnus (Magneto and Rogue's son, Nocturne (Nightcrawler and Scarlet Witch's daughter) or Panther (Storm and Black Panther's son) and so on. This issue had my love of What If's, dimensional spawn and awesome altogether. Though I should expect as much since it's by Jay Faerber who publishes the awesome Dynamo 5.

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	long_silence 2009-06-06 11:27 pm UTC (link)
	Mustang looked blond for a second, I almost confused him with Hulkling. Firefly is a cute little combination of powers. Vincent Von Doom is very hot. (Reply to this) (Thread)

pyrotwilight
2009-06-06 11:32 pm UTC (link)

Firefly makes me giggle every time. Johny and Janet are such Prima Donna pretty people it makes so much sense for them to hook up. Poor kid. His parents probably baby him like hell too.

Yeah Mustang's hair looked blond a few places, I assume it was the artist just trying to keep his skin and hair color different enough to not look weird, or it's just super shiny which is possible.

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	hopeofdawn 2009-06-06 11:51 pm UTC (link)
	I'm curious: if Xavier is walking around in the Iron Man armor, what happened to Tony? I assume he was in Secret Wars, though I don't remember ... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-06 11:57 pm UTC (link)
	Actually it was Jim Rhodes/ War Machine who was Iron Man then. Or so I've heard so Tony would've been back on Earth. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	stolisomancer 2009-06-07 01:14 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, Secret Wars hit towards the tail end of the fallout from "Demon In A Bottle," so Rhodey was in the suit. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	hopeofdawn 2009-06-07 11:12 am UTC (link)
	Ah I hadn't reealized. Thanks! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-08 02:26 am UTC (link)
	Of course then the question of where Rhodey is is raised but who knows. Not like he'd always wear the armor now that everything's peaceful of course. (Reply to this) (Parent)

blake_reitz
2009-06-07 12:34 am UTC (link)

Without a doubt one of my favorite What Ifs. Such a great pilot, sad it never got picked up like Spider-Girl. The team does leave a little to be desired with powers, I think, especially in the cases of Torrent and Firefly. I do really like the idea behind Mustang, which is that super-strong archer means super-strong force behind arrows. I'd like to see a member or two join with exiles at some point, even for a little while.

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	icon_uk 2009-06-07 07:38 am UTC (link)
	You could have had some fun with Firefly, like the smaller he is, the hotter his flame burns, so he could be dangerous at 5", but at 1.2" he's like the tip of a thermal lance... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	blake_reitz 2009-06-07 10:24 am UTC (link)
	That's not a bad idea. I guess with time they could have reviled all kinds of quirks to individualize their powers. (Reply to this) (Parent)

psychop_rex
2009-06-07 03:00 am UTC (link)

*pumps the air with his fist* YES! I read this issue back when it came out, in the 'comics and magazines' aisle of the local Safeway, and didn't buy it, and have been regretting that ever since. It's rare that I remember an individual issue so clearly, but everything here is just as I remembered it. I remember thinking that Malefactor was an INCREDIBLY COOL villain - if nothing else, I loved the look; that metal ninja-mask is great - I remember thinking much the same thing about Torrent - basically, I remember it all, especially the ending where Malefactor gets spirited away for... punishment. Oh, I gotta lay my hands on this now!

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	dorksidefiker 2009-06-07 10:00 am UTC (link)
	This has ALWAYS been one of my favorite What If...?'s. Dear Gods, a world where our protagonists are by and large happy, well adjusted people? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-07 10:48 am UTC (link)
	Indeed, that's so unallowed to happen in 616. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	okkult3000 2009-06-07 11:08 am UTC (link)
	On that page with Professor X, Torrent appears to have inherited her mother's looks and her father's height. Also, who's the Shigiel guy who did the art? I want to see more of him/her. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	blake_reitz 2009-06-07 12:00 pm UTC (link)
	Did this Shigiel guy do more comics? He's got a really clean line that says animation work to me, but without any loss of detail. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-06-07 12:14 pm UTC (link)
	And you'd be correct. :) Here is his webpage! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	blake_reitz 2009-06-07 12:25 pm UTC (link)
	Very nice! I see there's some additional art of the kids there, with the addition of Torrent's lightening claws! Lightning claws! That's the kind of power merging I can get behind! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-07 08:46 pm UTC (link)
	Hee! I loved that pin up. I bought a print of it at the last NY Comic Con from him. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	unknownscribler 2009-06-08 02:16 am UTC (link)
	Why can Sara pick up the hammer while Balder can't? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-08 02:24 am UTC (link)
	Sadly despite being an awesome kid he wasn't considered worthy by the hammer but Sarah was. I assume the Captain America genes did it. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	halloweenjack 2009-06-08 03:02 pm UTC (link)
	Didn't they do this with American Dream once as well? (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-09 01:24 am UTC (link)
	Well I'm sure she can pick up Thunderstrike's hammer but I'm not sure that counts. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	tavella 2009-06-08 07:14 pm UTC (link)
	Crusader looks kind of awesome in the shot with her wielding shield and hammer. <3 (Reply to this) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-06-09 01:22 am UTC (link)
	Just kind of? She be awesome. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	joysweeper 2009-06-10 03:15 pm UTC (link)
	Huh. I like this, even if I don't like how Spidey/symbiote apparently got antisocial. It's like those heroes who survived Secret Wars got to retire. (Reply to this)

	auggie18 2009-11-13 06:42 am UTC (link)
	Jeez, this is seven kinda of awesome. I'd want to see these kids as some sort of Avengers version of the Exiles, with less death. Because they're all awesome. (Reply to this)

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