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Tweak says, "there he goes! i feel the pain"

peur_evol (peur_evol) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-04-23 22:26:00

Entry tags:

char: human torch/johnny storm, char: invisible woman/susan storm, char: man-thing/ted sallis, char: mr. fantastic/reed richards, char: the thing/ben grimm, char: uatu the watcher, group: fantastic four, publisher: marvel comics, title: what if

BY REQUEST: WHAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO READ "WHAT IF?"

Somebody requested more WHAT IF? stories a while ago.
Can't say this is one of the best ones, but it is a WHAT IF? story.
ENJOY
or not

okay no jokes about GIANT-SIZE WOMAN THING, let's try to be adults.....

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	pyrotwilight 2009-04-23 11:11 pm UTC (link)
	One of those weird things making you wonder exactly what a person can't mutate into. Like that What if where Doom was transformed into the Thing and Ben into the Hulk. Anyone could become anyone in a What If...? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	filbypott 2009-04-24 04:01 am UTC (link)
	What If Squirrel Girl was Fin Fang Foom? What If Howard the Duck was She-Hulk? What If Batroc ze Lepair was a Sheep? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	jlroberson 2009-04-23 11:58 pm UTC (link)
	Sue Storm becomes the Man-Thing? Sure, why not. Who cares. Sigh. I read not one Marvel comic from SECRET WARS all the way to Morrison's X-Men, and this, like all scans from that period, shows me I missed not one single thing. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	aaron_bourque 2009-04-24 03:10 am UTC (link)
	. . . What part of "What If?" do you not understand. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	jlroberson 2009-04-24 05:11 am UTC (link)
	I understand it fine, but it starts to get a bit ridiculous when it becomes, "What if Frogs Had Wings?" Unless you push it to a really absurd extreme, like the Korvac issue, still the very best WHAT IF ever. The whole universe, killed one by one, illustrated by the whole dang bullpen. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	liliaeth 2009-04-24 01:25 am UTC (link)
	and of course it's the only woman on the team who loses not just her voice, but her intelligence as well? Yeah right... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-04-24 04:36 am UTC (link)
	Ummm, Reed lost his intelligence too... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	darklorelei 2009-04-24 08:50 am UTC (link)
	He lost his GENIUS. Sue can't TALK. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	dr_hermes 2009-04-24 03:32 pm UTC (link)
	Readers don't react as strongly when awful things happen to male characters. If it was Johnny who turned into Man-Thing, the common response would be, "Hey, that's too bad." But having it happen to Sue affects the audience (and the other characters) more powerfully. It's something not likely to change. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	darklorelei 2009-04-24 03:37 pm UTC (link)
	I actually don't gave a problem with this at all. I just think that saying that her not being able to speak is on the same level as Reed no longer being a genius is a little disingenuous. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	dr_hermes 2009-04-24 05:29 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, I see your point. I'm just noticing how the rules of storytelling work and limit writers. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	ashtoreth 2009-04-24 08:30 pm UTC (link)
	You're saying victimization of women is written into the DNA of readers? That's depressing. Doesn't work on me though! I am just as upset about the real Man-thing as AU!Sue here, because it's part of the regular permanent universe. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

dr_hermes
2009-04-24 08:55 pm UTC (link)

No. I'm saying readers care about what harm happens to female characters much more than they do about male characters. Watch the audiences at movies. When male characters are injured or killed, audiences don't react nearly as strongly as they do when female characters are even threatened. It's not about the 'victimization of women' as much as it is about the 'disposability of men.'

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	jlroberson 2009-04-24 05:13 am UTC (link)
	Some comics artists have problems drawing girls. Possibly unfamiliarity; what has estrogen burns at Marvel artist's touch. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	dr_hermes 2009-04-24 04:03 pm UTC (link)
	Most of them have as much trouble drawing men, cars, dogs, trees, chairs, birds.... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

raattgift
2009-04-25 04:41 pm UTC (link)

Interestingly, all the living things of any sex in that list produce and require estrogen and estrogen analogues, and if the chairs are wooden and well sealed, it may still have small traces of phytoestrogens in it (being mainly dead tree).

With respect to that list, because of the way the matrix of (flying!) avian bone is laid down, and the necessity of low skeletal mass, estrogens are probably most important to birds of both sexes as a way of controlling osteoclast (cells involved in bone turnover) activity, and if they don't have enough estrogens through a combination of self-production and diet then they develop aggressive osteoporosis and also serious problems with blood chemistry. (http://ps.fass.org/cgi/reprint/83/2/200.pdf is a cool overview, and there is lots more about the way estrogen interacts with the lysozyme genes in bird osteoclasts on the intarrweb).

Cars have negligible estrogen; they also have negligible testosterone.

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dr_hermes
2009-04-25 06:11 pm UTC (link)

Another reply to the frequent comment that comics artists can't draw women because they've never seen one is that nearly all of them are married. They may choose to draw women in as stylized a way as they draw men or they may simply be untalented. But if you told an artist's wife that he had never seen a real woman, she might blow up. "What the hell do you think I am, missy?"

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	filbypott 2009-04-24 03:59 am UTC (link)
	Man-Thing I recognize, but who are the monsters that Johnny and Reed turn into? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	squirle 2009-04-24 05:00 am UTC (link)
	Johnny looks just like Ben Grimm looked in the earliest FF comics. Reed turns into the Brute or something. If memory serves, he actually turned into the Brute in the 616 as well, after getting hit by a devolution ray or something silly like that. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	halloweenjack 2009-04-24 08:53 am UTC (link)
	Brute was actually the Richards from Counter-Earth, and took the "real" Reed Richards' place for a while when Reed had lost his powers. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	tacobob 2009-04-24 02:10 pm UTC (link)
	Actually, I think Sue wasn't transformed. She just wandered off to find a phone..Man Thing just showed up cause he likes the be hugged. :) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kingrockwell 2009-04-24 03:39 pm UTC (link)
	Poor Sue got left behind. :( (Reply to this) (Parent)

	pyrotwilight 2009-04-24 03:41 pm UTC (link)
	If it wasn't for the narration boxes I would've assumed something like that myself. That Sue's powers went overpowery and she's unhearable, unseeable etc... and they spot Man-Thing thinking he's her. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	tacobob 2009-04-24 07:08 pm UTC (link)
	They could have always had a panel at the end with Sue at a phone booth, "Hey guys! I got help! Reed? Ben? Johnny?" (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ashtoreth 2009-04-24 08:32 pm UTC (link)
	Sue's powers went overpowery and she's unhearable, unseeable etc. Throw in intangible and you have beat dr hermes for most depressing idea this post. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	pyrotwilight 2009-04-24 09:00 pm UTC (link)
	Oh right I actually meant to include that. Wouldn't that suck. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	iambickilometer 2009-04-24 06:15 pm UTC (link)
	Said requester would be me. Thanks! I love how anticlimatic the ending was. "Shit! We're screwed! Let's go spend the rest our lives on some aptly-named island!" (Reply to this)

	psychop_rex 2009-04-25 01:59 am UTC (link)
	It's an interesting situation when Ben Grimm is actually the LEAST monstrous member of the Fantastic Four. There were more of these, weren't there? Wasn't there one where they all became invisible, one where they all became stretchy, and one where they all could flame on? Any chance of those being posted? It'd be interesting to compare them. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Any chance of those being posted? peur_evol 2009-04-25 05:18 am UTC (link)
	NO All of those four scenarios came from the same issue. We can't post the whole issue here, sorry. It's the rules, love. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	Re: Any chance of those being posted? psychop_rex 2009-04-25 02:51 pm UTC (link)
	Oh. Well, crap. Not even something small from them, like a couple panels each? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	volksjager 2009-04-25 09:34 am UTC (link)
	"What if Hack writers had to pay for their crimes ?" (Reply to this)