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| Entry tags: | char: batman/bruce wayne, char: robin/red hood/jason todd, publisher: dc comics, title: batman |
The History of Jason Todd (Part 4) -- Oh the Times They Are A'Changin!
Here is where all that signature Jason violence comes into play. While many of us seem to agree that modern depictions of Jason make him harsher than the 80s, there IS precident for the "OMG, JASON TODD IS CRAZY DANGEROUS!" theme. Here are the top violent/controversial Jason moments...
Let's start backwards again. This is a flashback from Winick's Under the Hood (Batman #645)--
Now, one would THINK that you would KNOW that a kid who "graduated from the streets of Crime Alley," tried to steal your wheels, and hit you in the stomach with a tire iron had a "mean streak." Just a thought...
So, yes, interesting scene but is it too "extreme" for the way the character was depicted in the 80s?
Certainly the way Batman reacts is seemingly different. Here he seems to at least scold Jason for his violence (or at least the practical problems w/ it). But in Batman #426?
Still, taking down criminals hard isn't unusual for anyone in the Bat-family... potential pushing someone off of a roof though? Here's the infamous "Did he or didn't he?" Jason Todd story:
Can I just say that the last panel there actually gives me the creeps? I have to say that one thing that comics in both decades (1980s/2000s) do well is show that Jason was freakin' scary at times-- pixie boots and blouse or not.
So, the reason that Batman & Robin were after Filipe is that he attacked his girlfriend. Robin makes it clear that he has a problem with guys beating up women (maybe something to do with his sick mother and his criminal father?). However, this guy is the son of a diplomat, so he doesn't stay in jail long at ALL and the girlfriend is soon found dead. Robin blames Filipe (even though there's no proof, of course) and takes off...
(Wow Jason's pose looks stupid in that last panel-- who let that get past sketch and into ink?)
I think the main "problem" with Winick's flashback (which I do love despite...) is that it seems to come down pretty decisively on the side that Robin DID kill Filipe, or at least had the state of mind to. Sure, if nothing else, he CERTAINLY didn't save him-- but, as Christopher Nolan has stressed to us, that's not the same thing. What do you all think?
Now, one would THINK that you would KNOW that a kid who "graduated from the streets of Crime Alley," tried to steal your wheels, and hit you in the stomach with a tire iron had a "mean streak." Just a thought...
So, yes, interesting scene but is it too "extreme" for the way the character was depicted in the 80s?
Certainly the way Batman reacts is seemingly different. Here he seems to at least scold Jason for his violence (or at least the practical problems w/ it). But in Batman #426?
Still, taking down criminals hard isn't unusual for anyone in the Bat-family... potential pushing someone off of a roof though? Here's the infamous "Did he or didn't he?" Jason Todd story:
Can I just say that the last panel there actually gives me the creeps? I have to say that one thing that comics in both decades (1980s/2000s) do well is show that Jason was freakin' scary at times-- pixie boots and blouse or not.
So, the reason that Batman & Robin were after Filipe is that he attacked his girlfriend. Robin makes it clear that he has a problem with guys beating up women (maybe something to do with his sick mother and his criminal father?). However, this guy is the son of a diplomat, so he doesn't stay in jail long at ALL and the girlfriend is soon found dead. Robin blames Filipe (even though there's no proof, of course) and takes off...
(Wow Jason's pose looks stupid in that last panel-- who let that get past sketch and into ink?)
I think the main "problem" with Winick's flashback (which I do love despite...) is that it seems to come down pretty decisively on the side that Robin DID kill Filipe, or at least had the state of mind to. Sure, if nothing else, he CERTAINLY didn't save him-- but, as Christopher Nolan has stressed to us, that's not the same thing. What do you all think?