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claudie (flirting with modernism) (lipsofpoison) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-11-06 16:35:00

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char: alfred pennyworth, char: batman/bruce wayne, char: catwoman/selina kyle, char: elongated man/ralph dibny, char: jim gordon, char: joker, char: leslie thompkins, char: robin/red hood/jason todd, char: two-face/harvey dent, creator: alan davis, creator: joey cavalieri, creator: klaus janson, creator: mike w. barr, title: detective comics

Jason in 'Tec Comics
I've saved a lot of random bits of Jason adventures in 'Tec Comics over the last couple of years and upon reviewing them, there are some interesting points and foreshadowing, so after #571 was put up, I thought I'd put these up as well. Some of them are on the crisis cusp (just before, just after) so be aware of that. Let's start with what Jason's cape was used most often for:

# 568
It's interesting to see the emphasis is on the fight, not the victim. I always thought that was one of the main differences between Jason and Dick.

#569
This...what can I really say about this? It's got Papa Spank. Mostly, it's the banter between Jason and Bruce that borders on disturbing, considering the emphasis that's put on Jason's violent tendencies.

I admit, I put this one in the lulz.

This is one of my favourites, because it's repeated in reverse in Under the Hood with Jason cutting Bruce's belt. I love little echoes like that.

#569
It's also good to see that Jason and Selina aren't keen on one another, so at least something about their Battle for the Cowl fight was historically accurate. The look he's giving her here is downright vexed.

Again, there's an Underthe Hood echo here. As with My Beginning and My Probable End, Bruce is what Jason says when he wakes up rather than Batman.

#570

I like this, because it shows Bruce is aware of some of the dangers here and he has a lot of confidence in what Jason can do.

I remember reading a Robin once which depicted Jason kicking the Joker in the crotch. I did get very amused when I saw this for that very reason.

Bruce is very out of control here. It's interesting to note that this is before The Killing Joke, so honestly I think it's an overeaction. I'm sure Jason ended up regreting this one, though.

#572
This is from a very special Detective Comics, where they head to London with Elongated Man and meet Sherlock Holmes. Honestly, it's worth reading just for that.

#579
Honestly, it's Jim Gordon I love here but it's good to see Jason's perceptiveness coming into play.

I will admit to being quite a big fan of Leslie, so I love how indignant she is here.

This was absolutely put in for amusement.

#580
There really aren't any words for this one, honestly. It dated horribly.

Has this been retconned? I thought up till I saw this it was still Two-Face that did it, as it's said in ADitF.

#581

I liked seeing the journey and some resolution with the Two_Face story. I did always wonder why that had never come up as a sore point as it had before, so I was glad to see there was some addressing of it.

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	jlroberson 2009-11-06 10:59 pm UTC (link)
	No, what I mean is that his personality is pre-crisis. And had Collins retconned him yet? The changes, as I recall, were a little slow to catch up to Batman. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

mysteryfan
2009-11-06 11:24 pm UTC (link)

His personality was like this post-crisis, and even after Batman Year One. There was some variation of personality, and he had some more violent moments, but he spent a lot of stories like this, too. IMO. He was like this by two stories into Collins four-issue run.

Right after Millers Batman Year One ended in Batman 407, Collins wrote Jason stealing the tires origin in Batman 408. (Publishing date: June 87)

Meanwhile, as I understand it, over in Detective, #575 (October 87) is thought by some to be the first Post-Year One/Crisis deal Detective issue. (Depends on who you ask, but by some considered.) And above, you've got Tecs from 568-582. 575 was the first 'Tec after Barr's Year Two, so that's why some settle on that date as pseudo-official, but it wasn't a hard reboot for Bat titles, as I understand it was for Superman. Like you said, changes were different for Bat titles.

Some also mention the Legends issues, but at any rate, there was a lot of overlap.

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	lipsofpoison 2009-11-06 11:40 pm UTC (link)
	I think the fact the Bats took forever to catch up makes it so damned confusing. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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