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Harley and Ivy: Roomies!

Context: Following a mass escape from Arkham triggered by a Ra's al Ghul plot (kill of his Rogues Gallery so that Bruce would have enough time to date Talia), the various Bat villains are being sent to a regular prison while Arkham is being repaired.

During the mass escape from Arkham, Ivy was revealled to be a plant-like creature and not technically a human being any more. Harley is upset that Ivy wouldn't share this with her as she was meant to be her best friend, so she leaves her trapped under some rubble as she legs it.

Here is when the two meet again after Harley is recaptured.

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From:[info]iwfan53
Date:November 3rd, 2009 05:33 pm (UTC)
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I'd say these two should get a room, but then I'd sort of be missing the point of the entire story wouldn't I?
From:[info]rorge
Date:November 3rd, 2009 05:44 pm (UTC)
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Why did they bother giving them two beds?

Can never get enough Harley.
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From:[info]arilou_skiff
Date:November 3rd, 2009 06:11 pm (UTC)
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"Context: Following a mass escape from Arkham triggered by a Ra's al Ghul plot (kill of his Rogues Gallery so that Bruce would have enough time to date Talia)"

That's an... original plan. I don't think I've ever seen that one before, actually.
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From:[info]espanolbot
Date:November 3rd, 2009 06:16 pm (UTC)
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Bane had a mildly similar plan in KNightfall, though it went the opposite way about it.

He blew a hole in Arkham so that all the inmates would escape and keep Batman occupied, so that after spending days rounding up each member of his rogues galley (including some pumped with venom like the Riddler) Batman would be too exhausted to put up a decent fight when Bane came for him.
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From:[info]arilou_skiff
Date:November 3rd, 2009 06:27 pm (UTC)
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What apart from "blowing up Arkham" is similar in that plan? Methinks "Kill of my enemy's rogue's gallery so he can date my daughter" is different from "unleash my enemy's rogue's gallery so that I can beat him up" are miles apart.
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From:[info]espanolbot
Date:November 3rd, 2009 06:51 pm (UTC)
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Hm, guess so. I was going more from the "releasing inmates from Arkham to manipulate Batman" kinda thing.
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From:[info]kingrockwell
Date:November 4th, 2009 01:53 am (UTC)
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Nah, that's par for the course. When a new villain comes to Gotham, they have them blow up Arkham as a hazing!
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From:[info]cainofdreaming
Date:November 3rd, 2009 06:59 pm (UTC)
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Ra's did that in regular continuity too, sometime during the eighties or early nineties I think. Though his aim was more to finally settle his accounts with the Detective for good, rather than play matchmaker.
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From:[info]khaosworks
Date:November 3rd, 2009 10:33 pm (UTC)
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Batman #400.
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From:[info]parsimonia
Date:November 3rd, 2009 07:26 pm (UTC)
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I still love that last panel.
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From:[info]retro_nouveau
Date:November 3rd, 2009 11:47 pm (UTC)
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Ever get that déjà view feeling? :D
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From:[info]parsimonia
Date:November 4th, 2009 01:06 am (UTC)
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Heh.
From:[info]petalsinthewind
Date:November 3rd, 2009 08:24 pm (UTC)
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Do they not ventilate?  Otherwise, a person would use up all the oxygen and suffocate.
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From:[info]espanolbot
Date:November 3rd, 2009 08:33 pm (UTC)
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Presumably the logic is that they think Ivy'll release spores via the airducts to take control of guards or something. Though I'm sure then have to be within range of her voice for that to work properly.
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From:[info]cainofdreaming
Date:November 3rd, 2009 09:26 pm (UTC)
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The cell most likely has an internal air supply, though that doesn't really help Ivy in this case.
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From:[info]serenity_winner
Date:November 3rd, 2009 09:20 pm (UTC)
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Awww it's slightly less abusive than Harley/Joker.
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From:[info]kamino_neko
Date:November 3rd, 2009 09:56 pm (UTC)
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GIP. >_>
From:[info]lonewolf23k
Date:November 3rd, 2009 09:30 pm (UTC)
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Say, wasn't this the series where they revealed Green Ivy was, in fact, just a plant creation of Original Ivy?
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From:[info]xdoop
Date:November 3rd, 2009 11:44 pm (UTC)
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The writer of that storyline, Ty Templeton, said this on Toonzone.

The Ivy Clone was substituted whenever you want her to be, but in my mind, it was somewhere between the last issue of Gotham Adventures and the first issue of the New Batman Adventures. (The Harley /Ivy mini is therefore, "safe" and is STILL about the original Ivy, since it was written and drawn years ago.)

I had in mind that it was not the real Ivy back in Batman Adventures (vol2), issue one, when she's stabbed in Arkham and survives it. That was the point of the stabbing scene.

In the recent issue, on the last page, we back dated Pamela's look to an earlier BTAS design to suggest she's no longer super-powered, and has reverted back to her more human form in retirement... (I figure the toxins and serums would eventually work their way out of her system and she'd revert to an earlier form.) Also, it was a much quicker shorthand in a story that's only four pages long, to distinguish which Ivy was which.

But I wouldn't retcon away two seasons worth of appearances by Ivy. That would be rude. So, in my mind, the plant monster version shows up first in Batman Adventures (vol2) #1, when Dan and I started writing it... Every other Ivy story is still intact.

Or...you can believe it's been a clone since season two. That's part of the fun of the ending.

http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=1355934&postcount=18
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From:[info]kingrockwell
Date:November 4th, 2009 02:00 am (UTC)
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So which came first, DCAU's Ivy-clone, or DCU's Feraks? They're basically the same idea, except the Feraks don't look explicitly like Ivy or have nearly as much cognitive ability, but the Ivy-clone looks awfully like a Ferak when she attacks Harley there...
From:[info]psychop_rex
Date:November 4th, 2009 10:13 am (UTC)
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If I'm correct in assuming that the Feraks came out of 'No Man's Land', then I believe they came first - I'm relatively certain this was published after that.
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From:[info]kingrockwell
Date:November 4th, 2009 02:37 pm (UTC)
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Hmm. Looks like they not only came out of NML (aside from a SF&O from '98 that featured them), but once Ivy was out of Robinson Park, they never showed up again.
From:[info]psychop_rex
Date:November 4th, 2009 10:06 pm (UTC)
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(singing) "There's always tomorrow..."
From:[info]beastman12010
Date:November 3rd, 2009 09:40 pm (UTC)
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"I need you to breathe."

Its only subtext if its subtle!
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From:[info]salamangkiero
Date:November 3rd, 2009 10:51 pm (UTC)
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Wow, that's almost saying it out loud. And she just had to look like she came out of Dukes of Hazzard....
From:[info]kelseyg
Date:November 4th, 2009 02:19 am (UTC)
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Hah! I love the last panel on the 2nd page.

"Mehhh..."
From:[info]psychop_rex
Date:November 4th, 2009 10:19 am (UTC)
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So, if Ivy is producing pure oxygen here, and presumably has been doing something similar to some degree for quite a while, is this the reason why Harley always seems to be at her ditziest when she's around her? (I'm presuming that the actual Ivy has at least some of the attributes of the plant-clone version, as I believe it's been canon for a while that Ivy is indeed part plant.)
From:[info]essaybee
Date:November 4th, 2009 08:57 pm (UTC)
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What comic is this from? I think I saw it listed as from Issue 22, but my Batman Adventures 22 is a Batgirl/Gordon story.
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From:[info]01d55
Date:November 7th, 2009 07:37 am (UTC)

PHOTOSYNTHESIS: Ur doin it wrong

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The science in this is all wrong.

Plants take in CO2 and emit oxygen when performing photosynthesis, the process by which they create sugars. When plants metabolize those sugars for energy, they respire, taking in oxygen and emitting CO2 just like animals do. Indoors, Ivy would perform more respiration than photosynthesis as artificial light is a poor substitute for sunlight. (You need special lamps to properly sun plants indoors.) She would actually last longer in a sealed room than a human, to an extent in direct proportion to the power of illumination.
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