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cyberghostface ([info]cyberghostface) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-28 22:13:00

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Entry tags:char: hulk/bruce banner, char: rick jones, creator: warren ellis, publisher: marvel comics, theme: body horror, title: ruins

Warren Ellis reinvisions the Hulk

This is from Ruins #1. It's sort of a darker take on Marvels. Here, Rick Jones (now a morphine addict) is being interviewed by reporter Phil Sheldon.







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[info]jeyl
2009-10-29 02:23 am UTC (link)
What....the.....heck......

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[info]crinosg
2009-10-29 02:26 am UTC (link)
Ruins.

Basically the Marvel universe if it sucked even more than it does now (yeah, I know).

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(no subject) - [info]mcspakypants, 2009-10-29 02:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cyberghostface, 2009-10-29 02:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcspakypants, 2009-10-29 02:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kirayoshi1, 2009-10-29 07:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ulf_boehnke, 2009-10-29 10:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crinosg, 2009-10-29 02:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcspakypants, 2009-10-29 02:50 am UTC

[info]darkknightjrk
2009-10-29 02:28 am UTC (link)
I think Ellis was going for the "There's no fucking way being caught in the blast of an atomic explosion's going to turn you into a superhero" sentiment.

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(no subject) - [info]fredneil.livejournal.com, 2009-10-29 02:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]manofbats, 2009-10-29 04:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]khamelea, 2009-10-29 08:59 am UTC

[info]darkblade
2009-10-29 02:37 am UTC (link)
Ah Warren Ellis. You hate superheroes yet you keep writing about them.

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[info]e307
2009-10-29 02:44 am UTC (link)
Aren't there at least two other writers who are the same?
Hate superhero books yet won't just stop writing them and go away?

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(no subject) - [info]crinosg, 2009-10-29 02:45 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]dalf_rules, 2009-10-29 03:00 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-10-29 04:07 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]schala_kid, 2009-10-29 04:12 am UTC

[info]jlroberson
2009-10-29 03:40 am UTC (link)
Yeah, and look how much his heart is in it when he does. Like the mass amount of recycled material(and outline-deep plot) in JLA: NEW MAPS OF HELL. (For Perry White's rant, for instance, see either the beginning of the N-Zone story in Ultimate FF--Dr. Storm--or any number of issues of TRANSMET)

There are two Warrens. There's the one who writes great, original creator-owned stuff and is a joy to read. Then there's the one who has a family and needs to pay the bills and writes ULTIMATE EXTINCTION(gyuh) as a favor to Mark Millar, and tosses off shtick(and tries out ideas he'll use better later). At this point in his career they had not yet become as clearly divided and easy to distinguish.

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(no subject) - [info]darkblade, 2009-10-29 03:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlroberson, 2009-10-29 06:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]stolisomancer, 2009-10-29 07:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlroberson, 2009-10-29 08:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]stolisomancer, 2009-10-29 08:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlroberson, 2009-10-29 08:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkblade, 2009-10-29 04:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]va1tyr, 2009-10-29 07:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlroberson, 2009-10-29 08:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]va1tyr, 2009-10-29 08:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlroberson, 2009-10-29 08:53 am UTC

[info]henker
2009-10-29 03:41 am UTC (link)
Man's gotta pay the bills somehow.

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(no subject) - [info]darkblade, 2009-10-29 03:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zegim, 2009-10-29 06:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jlroberson, 2009-10-29 08:06 am UTC
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[info]stolisomancer
2009-10-29 04:44 am UTC (link)
He does fine when he writes straight superheroics. His X-Men's a little unfocused, but his work in the Ultimate universe has been readable to excellent.

Ellis somehow has a reputation as a guy who hates superheroes, when it's simply that he pointed out that A) some parts of accepted superheroic canon like the skintight outfits are rather silly and B) they dominate the market to a ridiculous extent. Both things are true. Half the people who read it took those statments as an attack against the genre, though, because people are stupid.

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(no subject) - [info]zegim, 2009-10-29 06:28 am UTC
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[info]statham1986
2009-10-29 07:04 am UTC (link)
How the Hell does Ellis hate superheroes? Planetary was one of, if not the greatest odes to science fiction and comic books ever made, and Stormwatch and the Authority might've been a bastardisation of the conventional team format, but nothing I've ever seen says he hates superheroes.

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(no subject) - [info]jlroberson, 2009-10-29 08:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]statham1986, 2009-10-29 03:25 pm UTC
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[info]scottyquick
2009-10-29 12:49 pm UTC (link)
Nah, that's Ennis.

KarenHealey came up with the *perfect* comparison for Ennis on superheroes. It's like that one XKCD comic, superheroes really wouldn't be neat! They're not actually cool! STOP HAVING FUN!

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(no subject) - [info]halloweenjack, 2009-10-29 04:59 pm UTC

[info]ninjapeps
2009-10-29 02:43 am UTC (link)
Ruins is less a darker take on Marvels and more of a complete inversion.

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[info]jlroberson
2009-10-29 08:15 am UTC (link)
I thought of it--at least the first part, the second was horrible--as if anything an antidote to MARVELS. Which was part at the time of a general obsession with nostalgia at Marvel.

And as good as a lot of MARVELS is? In retrospect it seems very cloying and the art, though pretty and accomplished, lifeless as storytelling. And hey, what if you DON'T think superheroes are something to be bowed down to in gratitude?

In some respects, especially some of its sentiments, I see MARVELS on a cultural continuum with FORREST GUMP. Which I loathe.

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[info]tacobob
2009-10-29 03:23 am UTC (link)
Hey! It's Cancerman! (Which was actually a comic book.)

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[info]jlroberson
2009-10-29 07:55 am UTC (link)
According to a legendary Hulk writer whose name shall not be spoken here, but his initials are a synonym of "cushion," the Hulk basically IS a kind of mad, walking cancer, in the sense that his cells are constantly dividing and building, to, among other things, account for the increase in mass.

I liked Ellis' later explanation--which I think actually can be added to that--regarding how the Hulk's body, if not his mind, learns and adapts and builds.

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[info]l_arlesienne
2009-10-29 03:31 am UTC (link)
*see icon

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[info]mullon
2009-10-29 03:48 am UTC (link)
Great contribution to Halloween week.

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[info]ezlebe
2009-10-29 03:55 am UTC (link)
Disregarding the total crackfest that is the story, I really like that last page. The art is just... I don't know but just I really like it. It looks hideously painful.

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[info]ar_feiniel_
2009-10-29 04:42 am UTC (link)
I really liked the Hulk bit in Ruins. Though I like Ruins in general - esp the art. Doesn't get enough credit. It's really pretty even when it's gruesome.

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[info]freeman333
2009-10-29 05:27 am UTC (link)
Love that shot of Banner outlined by the bomb blast with the quote "This machine kills fascists" next to it. Interesting bit of juxtaposition in my opinion.

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[info]jlroberson
2009-10-29 08:21 am UTC (link)
I dig that too. Frankly, whatever else you say about RUINS, this sequence is great. It also gives Jones at least a LITTLE cultural context.

I do think the person who posted this should have mentioned at the start the reason Rick is a junkie, because he's dying of cancer. Frankly, to consider someone sick who uses liquid morphine the same as a junkie(I'm thinking of his appearance and surroundings, which belie Ellis' attempt in the captions to explain; either way he's acting like one), which I think Ellis kinda does here, is a little insulting. That would mean my mom was a junkie the last two months of her life, and she wasn't.

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[info]filthysize
2009-10-29 06:02 am UTC (link)
This was a bad mini.

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[info]va1tyr
2009-10-29 07:50 am UTC (link)
I like the art here. That Hulk transformation looks like srs bsns.

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[info]flidgetjerome
2009-10-29 08:15 am UTC (link)
I can't believe we're having a conversation about how Ellis may or may not hate superheros and no one's once mentioned Nextwave.

That is all.

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(no subject) - [info]darkblade, 2009-10-29 04:42 pm UTC

[info]chains_of_irony
2009-10-29 10:00 am UTC (link)
Oh wow. That's amazing. Can we see some more? I hope they release this as a graphic novel or something soon.

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(no subject) - [info]darkblade, 2009-10-29 04:45 pm UTC

[info]squirle
2009-10-29 12:16 pm UTC (link)
And yet, this disgusted me far less than what had become of Rick and Marlo in this universe.

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