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Tweak says, "think of the red head"

Doop (xdoop) wrote in scans_daily,
@ 2009-10-27 19:08:00

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char: flamebird/thara ak-var, char: lois lane, char: nightwing/lor-zod/chris kent, char: reactron/martin krull, char: supergirl/kara zor-el, creator: eduardo pansica, creator: greg rucka, creator: jamal igle, creator: jon sibal, creator: sterling gates, publisher: dc comics, title: supergirl

Request: Supergirl #46

This is from Supergirl #46, written by Sterling Gates and Greg Rucka, and illustrated by Jamal Igle with Eduardo Pansica.

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	sailorlibra 2009-10-27 11:15 pm UTC (link)
	Is the dark haired woman with the ponytail Lois? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-10-27 11:15 pm UTC (link)
	Yes. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	nevermore999 2009-10-27 11:40 pm UTC (link)
	And she stabs Reactron with a pen! (He knocks out Chris and Kara by smashing their heads together and she yells at him, and he gets all telling her she's never met a real man before, and she's like "I have, but you're not it" staaaab) and now she's going to tell the world the TRUTH! So that made me happy. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	icon_uk 2009-10-28 12:10 am UTC (link)
	I've heard "The pen is mightier than the sword" but Lois with a pen managing what two empowered Kryptonians couldn't? Can't see that coming over well. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	deleonjh 2009-10-28 12:39 am UTC (link)
	Eh, I prefer Joe Pesci's pen stabbing scene from Casino (at 1:10): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UHNTkVqWpQ (Reply to this) (Parent)

nevermore999
2009-10-28 02:56 am UTC (link)

It doesn't STOP him or anything. It just annoys him and he bats her away. And she stabbed him in the cheek, where his suit didn't cover him, plus he wasn't expecting her to do anything. She doesn't manage anything "Chris and Kara couldn't" but I still like the moment because it shows that Lois doesn't take shit and will defend herself. Also, it was nice to see her upset over Reactron hurting Chris and even Kara.

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	sailorlibra 2009-10-28 12:19 am UTC (link)
	Now I have to buy this issue. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	stig 2009-10-28 12:06 am UTC (link)
	Lois is having an incredibly bad year. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	manofbats 2009-10-27 11:17 pm UTC (link)
	I know Chris is technically of age, but he's technically not of age. I wonder if he will transform into the real Nightwing? (Reply to this) (Thread)

icon_uk
2009-10-27 11:26 pm UTC (link)

Depending on continuity "Nightwing" is either species of Kryptonian nocturnal bird (just as a "flamebird" originally was), or the only known name of a legendary hero (a son who was cast out of his noble house, and became a protector of the underdg regardless). Does it have a new interpretation now?

Can't say that ANOTHER firebird wearing heroine (possibly with god-delusions) is doing much to impress me as a novel idea.

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manofbats
2009-10-27 11:36 pm UTC (link)

IIRC the birds were named after mythical deities like Rao. Since the destruction of Krypton the religious guild has become more active and I guess revived the worship of the Flamebird and Nightwing gods along with Rao. For some reason Thara has had vision of Flamebird all her life and the guild found that out and performed some ritual on her that made her realize she is the Flamebird's avatar. Then some psychic connection between her and Chris sparked, which made them realize he is Nightwing.

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	taggerung301 2009-10-27 11:38 pm UTC (link)
	goodness icon_uk, why doesn't it impress you? I mean, it's a totally original idea, right? ;) (Reply to this) (Parent)

	nevermore999 2009-10-27 11:41 pm UTC (link)
	Well, with a name like Flamebird...what else are ya gonna have her powers be? I still think Flamebird should have been Linda, it would have been the perfect way to bring her back... (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

icon_uk
2009-10-27 11:48 pm UTC (link)

Well, with a name like Flamebird...what else are ya gonna have her powers be?

Funny you should say that, DC's Russian heroine who took the name Firebird as a member of "Soyuz" (Sort of Soviet Teen Titans) was a telepath, who deliberately chose a name which had bugger all to do with her powers so people wouldn't suspect what her powers were... of course, the fact that her team-mates were named after a water nypmh (Rusalka), wind-djinn (Vikhor), ice demon (Morozko) and thunder god (Perun) who all had powers to match their codenames, showed that it clearly wasn't an idea she wanted to take too far.

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manofbats
2009-10-27 11:52 pm UTC (link)

Shoehorning Linda into another deity role concerning Kryptonians is one more complication she doesn't need. PD convoluted her story enough. She doesn't need to be a protoplasmic mockery of Lana Lang from an alternate universe merged with a dying girl stabbed during a Satanic sacrifice to become an Earth-born angel of fire who married and had a child with the pre-Crisis Superman, but not really and then become a goddess worshiped by aliens on a deceased world thousands of years ago.

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nevermore999
2009-10-28 12:47 am UTC (link)

You realize the origin is only that complicated because you made it that way. Her previous origin was she was a Supergirl construct who merged with a dying girl in order to save her life, and became an earthborn angel with flame powers. Then she was just Linda Danvers with Superman's powers and Tk.

If you introduce her as Flamebird, all you have to understand is "This was the Supergirl with flame powers. Now she's Flamebird.

I'm not saying I'd have wanted her to have the same origin as Thara, but that I originally thought that Flamebird was going to be Linda and that would have been a good way to bring her back, and I still think it would have been better than having Thara have almost the same powers redundantly.

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manofbats
2009-10-28 12:54 am UTC (link)

You realize you just repeated the same origin I gave, minus the Superman marriage.

And no, so long as the character has a backstory it's always going to be there. You're basically asking everyone to just jam their fingers in their ears and yell "LALALALALALA! Linda's origin isn't ridiculous or convuluted!" But it's there.

Linda being Flamebird would be a joke. Just one more thing on a pile of things that Linda is/was, which was a protoplasmic Lana Lang dead girl Earth born angel of fire. I don't think you need to tack more on to that.

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bluefall
2009-10-28 01:02 am UTC (link)

You're missing that there's no need whatsoever for "Flamebird," in this context, to mean anything other than "What the former Supergirl is now calling herself." The whole forgotten-god-of-Krypton nonsense would be a problem to tack onto Linda, sure, obviously. There isn't, however, any reason whatsoever to have invented it in the first place. "Flamebird" is known to be the name of an old Kryptonian hero. Linda's powers are appropriate to someone called "Flamebird," and Linda hangs with kryptonians. Her old name is no longer available to her.

Absolutely nothing would make more sense than her picking up that name when she comes out of retirement.

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	manofbats 2009-10-28 01:06 am UTC (link)
	What would make more sense would be to never ever bring Linda out of retirement, ever. Don't even kill her, just forget her. That makes more sense than anything ever did in the history of forever. I like the new Flamebird. She's the first character with that name who is worth keeping around. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nevermore999 2009-10-28 02:48 am UTC (link)
	So you don't like Linda and object to her coming out or retirement because of that. Telling me that would have saved a lot of time. Well, not that much time. Like five minutes. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-28 02:51 am UTC (link)
	I think Linda is the worst character ever. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	nevermore999 2009-10-28 02:57 am UTC (link)
	...okay then. Like I said, would have saved time. (Reply to this) (Parent)

mcbangle
2009-10-28 02:57 am UTC (link)

Actually, Matrix separated from Linda a year or two before the end of the PAD series and Linda stopped being an Earth born angel when they separated, so at most Linda is girl-who-used-to-be-merged-with-protoplasmic-Lana-Lang-and-once-was-an-Earth-born-angel. Yes she has a convoluted backstory but no one bothers to mention that Superman used to be a blue energy being or that Spider-Woman was once evolved from a spider, so I don't see why Linda's out-of-date convoluted backstory should hold her back any more than any other superhero's.

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	manofbats 2009-10-28 03:00 am UTC (link)
	Except her most recent appearance had her in her Earth-born angel form again. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	book_of_daniel 2009-10-28 02:22 am UTC (link)
	For what it's worth I totally agree with you about Linda. I had a history with that character. I couldn't care less about yet another damned Kryptonian. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-28 02:52 am UTC (link)
	But she's not yet another damned Kryptonian. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	book_of_daniel 2009-10-28 03:05 am UTC (link)
	In my opinion she is. Im not looking to change your mind on the topic and youre not going to change mine. We simply have different opinions about the character. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-28 03:06 am UTC (link)
	Opinions can still be wrong. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	demonprawn 2009-10-27 11:38 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah I didn't like the Flamebird reveal. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	brianwilly 2009-10-28 12:33 am UTC (link)
	It had happened once already in Action Comics, so it's not really a reveal. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	neuhallidae 2009-10-28 02:22 am UTC (link)
	...Your icon. What the hell. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-10-28 02:29 am UTC (link)
	Aquaman and his father. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	colonel_green 2009-10-27 11:42 pm UTC (link)
	JEEAAANN...I mean, THAARRRAA! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	buttler 2009-10-28 08:55 pm UTC (link)
	Who could ever get those two crazy kids mixed up? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Silly Kara! stig 2009-10-28 12:07 am UTC (link)
	It's JUSTIIIICEEE!. Not "Justice". (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Silly Kara! kingrockwell 2009-10-28 12:52 am UTC (link)
	Nah, of the three people managing the Superfamily right now, this issue left that one out. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	skitster 2009-10-28 12:10 am UTC (link)
	Traaaans-MUTE! (Reply to this)

	kaetepixie 2009-10-28 01:40 am UTC (link)
	Wait wait wait. I am sooo behind the times now. Is this Chris, the child they were taking care of son of Zod Chris? God damn, comics hate children. Guess he's another one to add to the magically-somehow-aged-to-adulthood tally. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	xdoop 2009-10-28 01:48 am UTC (link)
	It's something to do with him aging differently because he was born in the Phantom Zone. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kaetepixie 2009-10-28 02:35 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, I'm sure they made up some bullshit technobabble reason he is no longer a child. But the real reason is that comic writers don't want to write children, so he fell prey to Babies in Microwaves Syndrome and was suddenly aged to adulthood. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-28 03:01 am UTC (link)
	He ages normally in the Phantom Zone, whereas everyone else is frozen in time. When Chris is outside the Phantom Zone years can pass by for him. His story isn't really finished. Hell it could turn out like Big, with his debilitating growth spurts getting fixed and setting him back to his proper age. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	kaetepixie 2009-10-28 03:35 am UTC (link)
	It would be singularly creepy to turn him back into a little kid after having a steamy romance. Not that comics never go creepy (Hello Ms. Marvel and "son"), but I guess I'll have to give up on Superman and Louis ever getting to experience a family dynamic for more than a handful of issues. Ah well, it was really cute while it lasted. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	manofbats 2009-10-28 03:37 am UTC (link)
	They're still very much a family. Chris insists on being called Chris Kent and he had a tearful reunion with Lois who still protects him like a mother. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	pepperspray101 2009-10-28 07:26 am UTC (link)
	Boo. I preferred Chris as a kid. This is just kinda weird... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	triss-neya.livejournal.com 2009-10-28 12:56 pm UTC (link)
	Same here. I can't think of him as an adult, he's still a kid in my mind and this whole thing seems so weird. (Reply to this) (Parent)

triss-neya.livejournal.com
2009-10-28 12:54 pm UTC (link)

*Sigh* I don't like this flamebird. It's very Jean Grey. Thara herself is not bad but doesn't do much for me as she is just another Kryptonian, but the fact that she is an avatar of a god Flamebird means she is unlikely to give up that gig anytime soon, which means Bette Kane will not get that codename back (and I liked the motivation for why she was Flamebird - it was at least original and different), which also means that Dick Grayson won't get his name back :(

Avatars of gods... meh, so they're more powerful than Superman? how is that gonna work for the storytelling? I'd like my Krypton and Kryptonians more about (pseudo) science and less about gods and reincarnations :(

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	jaybee3 2009-10-28 01:56 pm UTC (link)
	Greg Rucka said at a con when asked what Betty would do now that there's another Flamebird out there said (basically): "I don't think Betty cares that there's somebody else calling themselves Flamebird" implying that Bette would just keep calling herself that regardless - and since he's using her in 'Tec with Kate he would know. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	triss-neya.livejournal.com 2009-10-28 02:28 pm UTC (link)
	Aaah:) Thank you. Good to know she'll still be around. Heh, I might yet change my mind about Thara and Chris... as long as Dick gets out of the cowl at some point and back to Nightwing too. :) (Reply to this) (Parent)