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box_in_the_box ([info]box_in_the_box) wrote in [info]scans_daily,
@ 2009-09-30 19:43:00

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Entry tags:char: black cat/felicia hardy, char: spider-man/peter parker, creator: joe kelly, publisher: marvel comics, title: amazing spider-man

NuSpidey & NuBlack Cat: No rape, no racism ...
... Just good old-fashioned misogyny, courtesy of Joe Kelly's writing in Amazing Spider-Man #607, which opens exactly as everyone expected it to:




So, okay, once again, as he did with Mary Jane, Peter is behaving like a character whose maturity has regressed to a state much younger than the mid-20s grown man that he's supposed to be, by acting like an adolescent virgin around a woman with whom he already had a long, and eventually deep and mutually respectful, relationship, but, hey, that's par for the course with NuSpidey, right?

After all, he hasn't exercised the slightest shred of either forethought or follow-up consideration in anything that he's done since the start of "Brand New Day," so why change that pattern of absolute failure now?

Besides, as Kelly attempts to emphasize here, it was the heat of the moment, so it's certainly not like he was being calculating about this or anything ... well, except for that "she promised not to look" line, which reads a little weird in the context of them supposedly acting out of spontaneous passion, but surely Kelly didn't mean it the way that it came across there ...



... Except that, holy shit, Kelly really did mean it that way.

Let's break down this dialogue:

NuSpidey: "Last night, did you keep the lights off like you promised? Did you look at my face?"
NuBlack Cat: "Eww. Absolutely not."

Everybody, including Kelly, keeps casting NuSpidey and NuBlack Cat's one-night stand as the result of unplanned, uncontrollable desire, but the problem is that this interpretation of it can't really be reconciled with Peter being premeditated enough to demand that Felicia not look at his face while they had sex, and while we're on the subject, HOLY SHIT, HE ACTUALLY TOLD HER NOT TO LOOK AT HIS FACE WHILE HE FUCKED HER, HOW INCREDIBLY CREEPY AND DEHUMANIZING IS THAT???

Technically, under the current status quo, there's nothing inherently wrong with Peter and Felicia having a romantic relationship now, and as someone who's had more than a few "friends with benefits" and casual fuck-buddies myself, I wouldn't even mind if they treated their flings simply as means of blowing off steam, with the understanding that they wouldn't have any expectations of mutual exclusivity to one another.

Except that, before everyone's memories of Peter's secret identity were blind-spotted, Peter and Felicia had become close friends who genuinely cared for one another's feelings and welfare, to the point that Felicia had started to develop an attraction to Peter even when he wasn't wearing the mask, and if Joe Quesada can be taken at his word that "everything but the marriage still happened," then Peter still remembers all of this, and yet, for reasons that remain unexplained, Peter still goes out of his way to prevent Felicia from remembering any of this, all of which she has a right to know (as well as the mental and emotional ability to deal with), even though he feels morally obligated to make sure that the goddamn NUAVENGERS, including MOCKINGBIRD and RONIN, all know his secret identity.

As it stands, this is not a case of "friends with benefits," as Kelly claimed, or even casual fuck-buddies, because even such relatively less-committed relationships still involve those friends (or "buddies") possessing some basic level of regard for one another as people, whereas Peter and Felicia seem to treat one another entirely transactionally here - she doesn't want to know anything about him as a person, and for all his Nice Guy wangsting in his narrative captions, the fact that he felt free to order her not to look at his face while he was FUCKING her makes it clear that he doesn't give a shit about anything other than her vagina, and that the woman herself is merely a hurdle to him, that makes it slightly more complicated for him to obtain what's between her legs.

Not that this should be any surprise, given that the NuSpidey "brain trust," and Marvel as a whole, see women exclusively as a) obstacles to be overcome and b) prizes to be won, in equal measure.

Of all the non-Mary Jane romantic partners that Peter could have had, in the wake of "One More Day," Felicia was the one whom I actually wouldn't have minded seeing him hook up with, if only her character hadn't been regressed and stripped of as much maturity as that of Peter himself, which is why I'm now calling her NuBlack Cat, just as Peter has been NuSpidey ever since the start of "Brand New Day."

Congratulations, Marvel! You just ruined yet ANOTHER character, to the point that even KEVIN SMITH'S writing of her now looks slightly less awful by comparison (which, considering what a festering pile of fail he produced, in the form of Spider-Man/Black Cat: The Evil That Men Do, is like managing to make an even worse movie than Uwe Boll).


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[info]punishermax
2009-10-01 02:53 am UTC (link)
....To be fair their relationship has been like this for a long time.

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[info]khamelea
2009-10-01 02:59 am UTC (link)
"So, okay, once again, as he did with Mary Jane, Peter is behaving like a character whose maturity has regressed to a state much younger than the mid-20s grown man that he's supposed to be, by acting like an adolescent virgin around a woman with whom he already had a long, and eventually deep and mutually respectful, relationship, but, hey, that's par for the course with NuSpidey, right?"

Ultimate Spiderman called: he wants his gimmick back. Not the thoroughly antipathic portrayal, though.

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[info]jlbarnett
2009-10-01 03:07 am UTC (link)
Considering what the writers are trying for it was probably like on TV shows and movies. You know, two characters making out. "We need to stop" "Yeah, we (insert reason not to have sex)" Begin heading for bedroom alternately kissing, making excuses. Start pulling off each other's clothes, excuses beginning to be replaced by justifications. Fall into bed and say the hell with it.

"I promise not to look" would probably have been the last thing Black Cat said before they reached the bed.

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[info]bluejaybirdie
2009-10-01 03:09 am UTC (link)
You know, as a little girl, I used to like Spiderman. I saw the movies and read a few of my friend's dad's Ultimate Spidey comics. I never *really* got into it, but I liked it enough to read the newspaper strip and occasionally pick up a Spiderman related thing and read/watch it. But this? This totally kills all the love I had for Spidey. And that makes me sad.

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(Anonymous)
2009-10-01 03:10 am UTC (link)
As far as Spidey and the Black Cat hooking up and becoming an item once again, I don’t particularly mind it . . . much. After all, as this issue hints, you know that Peter is making a big mistake in getting back together with Felicia, the even he knows that it’s not a good idea several times, only he doesn’t really care at this point because he‘s just so turned on by her--which, of course, will come back to bite him in the butt. There’s enough here to suggest things will begin to sour once Spidey desires his new-found relationship with Felicia to become more serious than just “friends with benefits.” Not to mention he also has no idea who Black Cat was working for or why they were after Bennet originally, so that’s also going to come back and bite him in the butt as well.

No, my problem is that with this issue and as well as with last week’s, is that by taking Spidey and Felicia’s relationship back to square one, it doesn’t feel the least bit fresh or inspired. And since we are essentially told that it’s not going to be anything more than just sex between them and that it’s going to end badly eventually, there just doesn’t seem to be much emotional investment in them rekindling their “relationship.” Not to mention that Felicia Hardy, despite all the development she’s undergone with Spidey over the years, is now essentially reduced to “Spidey's kinky booty-call.” I mean, she no longer knows Peter is Spider-Man, she's back to being a professional thief, AND she's got her Bad Luck powers back. While you could technically say Kelly built upon what came before, the fact that he put all those things in just pretty much threw all of her character's development right out the window. But then that's par for the course for Amazing Spider-Man these days.

Really disappointing.

--stillanerd

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[info]sinisterlink
2009-10-01 03:18 am UTC (link)
I hate to say this because it shows me as being waaaaay too invested in make believe characters, but each new issue of Spider-Man is seriously depressing me so much that I actually CRIED when I saw these pages. I really think at this point that the writers are enjoying giving constant slaps to the face of anyone who ever enjoyed Mary Jane and Peter being married or even TOGETHER. So far we've had stories where both are so out of character it's ridiculous, with MJ getting in a relationship with a complete douchebag who I honestly can't see her ever being interested in, and then Peter is having possible drunken one-nighters with his roommate and now sleeping with Felicia after her being back in his life for two seconds.

OMD established that MJ and Peter had an insanely powerful and pure love for each other and that even though they wouldn't remember the whole deal with the devil thing, their souls would and would be in agony over it. I'm really not seeing any of that in these stories. All I'm seeing is the writers constantly going, "MJ and Peter aren't together anymore! They're both sleeping around with lots of people because they are no longer together! They are never ever going to get back together because that would be too boring!" And even though pretty much everyone knows that Peter and Mary Jane will get back together eventually, it just makes me too sad to see all the crap they are doing to two of my favorite characters in the meantime.

I tried to give BND and all the Nu Spidey stuff a chance and kept buying it, and I actually have liked a few of the storylines and new characters, but it's just getting too depressing for me now. I'll just stick with Bendis' Spider-Man over in New Avengers. At least over there he still seems like a hero.

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[info]darkknightjrk
2009-10-01 03:21 am UTC (link)
Two things that come to mind:

1. How did their costumes get tangled up so that they're wrapped around each other like an embrace?
2. ...Well, at least the art is pretty.

"to the point that even KEVIN SMITH'S writing of her now looks slightly less awful by comparison (which, considering what a festering pile of fail he produced, in the form of Spider-Man/Black Cat: The Evil That Men Do, is like managing to make an even worse movie than Uwe Boll)."

What was so bad about Spider-Man/Black Cat?

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(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-10-01 03:24 am UTC
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AND NOW, THE ORIGIN OF EVERY "EMPOWERED" FEMALE SUPERHERO TO BE TOUCHED BY THE '90S: - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-10-01 03:35 am UTC
Re: AND NOW, THE ORIGIN OF EVERY "EMPOWERED" FEMALE SUPERHERO TO BE TOUCHED BY THE '90S: - [info]majingojira, 2009-10-01 05:11 am UTC
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[info]drsevarius
2009-10-01 03:37 am UTC (link)
If they had oral and/or anal, she wouldn't have had to seen his head.

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[info]thandrak
2009-10-01 03:45 am UTC (link)
... except she'd see invisible Spider-Head. Remember? That FF Macroverse issue? And trust me, that's off-putting.

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[info]queenanthai
2009-10-01 03:58 am UTC (link)
COMPLETELY going off on a different angle, if Felicia is that tall and actually has those curves and those muscles, she should weigh at least 120. Sheesh.

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[info]punishermax
2009-10-01 04:07 am UTC (link)
Honestly, I think I'll just read this http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3207561 to get my Spider-Man fix until I get enough money to start picking it up again.

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[info]mullon
2009-10-01 04:17 am UTC (link)
Because hooking up with a hot cat burglar is so much more down to Earth than being married to a super model.

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[info]yaseen101
2009-10-01 04:29 am UTC (link)
Frankly I think Chuck from Good Luck Chuck is exactly how the Spidey Brain Trust sees Spider-man as. I haven't seen the movie but I have seen enough clips to note the similarities.

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(Anonymous)
2009-10-01 04:30 am UTC (link)
BTW, K-Box, here's something which I think is really revealing about Kelly's overall mindset and explains a great deal more about his approach to Spider-Man and this story in general...and why these guys just don't seem to get it.

From CBR:

Readers can expect more scenes of romantic tension and misadventures in the months ahead, because for the remainder of 2009, Kelly and his "Amazing Spider-Man" co-writers will explore the mess that is Peter Parker's love life. "I love writing that stuff. Women problems are great fodder for comedy, but I also find my own awkwardness around women my entire life helps me slip into that role and relate to the character," Kelly explained. "I always think of him as in high school even though he's not. So whatever girl trouble he's got, it's always the high school version of it in my brain. It may not manifest that way, but that's his reaction. It's always like he's this disaffected man-boy, and that's why Norah calls him her 'Man-Child.' It's because he's not fully equipped to deal with all these romantic slings and arrows, particularly after being in such a long relationship with MJ."

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23122

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[info]okkult3000
2009-10-01 04:34 am UTC (link)
Seriously? "Don't look at my face while we're having sex."? That's some fucked up shit right there. That's like three feet to the left of serial killer. "Don't look at me. Don't make any noise. Don't move. I swear to G-d, if you fucking look at me, I'll fucking stab you!"

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[info]iwfan53
2009-10-01 04:48 am UTC (link)
The sad thing is that unless they did oral there's really no reason that Peter would have had to take his mask off, and then the whole "don't look at me" thing wouldn't have had to have been an issue...

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[info]zordboy
2009-10-01 05:14 am UTC (link)
"...and while we're on the subject, HOLY SHIT, HE ACTUALLY TOLD HER NOT TO LOOK AT HIS FACE WHILE HE FUCKED HER..."

To be fair, depending on the position, that wouldn't be terrible difficult to accomplish. *shrug*

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[info]marlowe84
2009-10-01 05:14 am UTC (link)
So he's okay with trying to initiate a post-coital chat about their relationship... but is too scared to have sex with her face-to-face?

That seems to me like being very emotionally needy. When he asks her if she looked at his face, I felt really uncomfortable, like I was watching someone embarrass themselves.

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[info]zegim
2009-10-01 05:23 am UTC (link)
Someday, I'll ask my girlfriend to no look at my face during sex.

I'd call it "Spider Man style sex".

I'll end up sleeping on the floor for even asking it, but I all in the name of how much I feel identified by the current portrayal of Spidey (or so I was told by Marvel big names).

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[info]aaron_bourque
2009-10-01 05:24 am UTC (link)
I'm not reading it! You can't make me!

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[info]the_dagman
2009-10-01 06:26 am UTC (link)
Actually, this is not as bad as most of you are making this seem. Felicia DOES remember everything. Except for her memories of Peter's face are now a blur as well as what his real name actually was. But she also remembers how the relationship soured for her when she found out who was under the mask, even though she can't remember who that was now. She wanted Spider-Man, not Peter Parker.

And now she can't remember the part she hated finding out about. She finds out she can keep it that way as long as she never looks at the face under the mask again. It doesn't take but a moment to say don't take off the mask or the old memories come back. So I can see her looking at it as a win/win. She gets to live her fantasy unspoiled again.

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(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-10-01 06:32 am UTC
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[info]lbd_nytetrayn
2009-10-01 06:50 am UTC (link)
Maybe at some point they'll have a story where it's revealed that Spider-man isn't acting like "an adolescent virgin," but actually is one-- well, adolescent, anyway-- due to the whole Mephisto thing.

--LBD "Nytetrayn"

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[info]quietprofanity
2009-10-01 08:13 am UTC (link)
I actually don't find the "Don't look at my face!" aspect of it that creepy. Or at least the least problematic part of it. Since I always thought Black Cat and Spider-Man had a sexual relationship back in the old days it's kind of reasonable to assume that they could have had a similar "don't look at my face!" arrangement back then. I don't think that means they dehumanized or infantile-ized each other. To be crude, I think you can be intimate with another person if they're wearing a gimp mask.

That being said, this is yet another bit of evidence of how everyone in Peter's life being brainborked and having their characterization regressed makes shittier -- and not new types of -- stories. Instead of Peter having sex with an old flame it's now Peter having sex with a crazy lady who thinks seeing his real face deserves an "eww," which sucks. And it's another example of how Marvel continues to really mess up constantly when it comes to keeping Black Cat's character any level of consistent.

Felicia and Peter's relationship being characterized as not "grown up" also sucks.

So, uh, yeah. Fail.

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[info]psychop_rex
2009-10-01 08:38 am UTC (link)
I dunno. I'd actually say that this is a bit of a step upwards from the whole 'Peter Parker is a chewtoy for women' storyline that we've just been suffering through. I mean, everything is still going to blow up in Peter's face in short order, but at least we're getting a briefly quiet, reflective moment where people aren't screaming at each other.
Also, there are several ways to look at the whole 'not looking at his face' thing. First, if 'OMD' is, in fact, adjusting the storyline so that Peter and MJ were never married, or were only briefly so, then that could well have also messed up the history of his and Felicia's interactions, since the 'romantic triangle' aspect of the the Peter/MJ/Felicia relationship was a subplot for quite a while. Therefore, it's entirely possible that her feelings towards him have never gotten the chance to evolve as they did in recent years, which would totally explain her 'Eww. Absolutely not' line. Back in the early days, she had this weird hang-up about how she loved Spidey but was turned off by Peter. I recall a thought balloon of hers that reads something like 'I love him! I do! But with his mask off, I can barely stand to look at him...!' In short, this may be more her problem than his.
Second, it's possible that Peter doesn't want her to see his face because (and correct me if I'm wrong here, but this is the impression I've gotten) every one of the people who used to know his identity back in the good ol' days gets their memories back when they see him without his mask on. Now, Felicia has stated that she remembers SOME things about their past, but not all - presumably, the whole 'Spider-Man is really Peter Parker' thing falls into the 'not all' category. Given how extremely messed up his life has gotten lately, it wouldn't surprise me if Peter has become very protective of the security that his mask represents - his life as Spidey is just the normal round of supervillain battles; his life as Peter is a living HELL, and the more the two interact, the more he worries that the former will start to become the latter. Therefore, he is extremely reluctant to reintroduce Felicia into his civilian life, not because he doesn't LIKE her, but because he's worried that it will backfire spectacularly in some unforseen manner. It's just a theory, but I think it works well enough.
Third... well, this is more of an addendum to the last one, really. I don't see anything here suggesting that he 'ordered' her not to look at his face. If anything, I was kind of under the impression that she came up with that idea under her own volition, because, if I'm right about the whole 'relationship hasn't advanced' thing, she doesn't WANT to see his face. She's not in love with Peter Parker - she's in love with Spider-Man. It would make a lot more sense to me if he had been wavering about should he or shouldn't he do this, and then she said something like 'c'mon - your secret's safe with me. No peeking, I swear', and that was kind of the clincher. She made a promise, he asked her 'did you keep your promise?', she said 'yes', he said 'I trust you, then.' It's arguably a bit perverse, but hey, it seems to work for them.
Basically - is it a bad thing that their relationship has been regressed by several decades? Hell yeah it is. Is it a bad thing that he's sleeping around with Felicia instead of getting his rear in gear and making up with MJ? Of course. But I'm really not getting the impression that he 'doesn't give a shit about anything other than her vagina'. Yes, of course this hookup is unwise in the long run, and probably even in the short run, but remember, he KNOWS this woman. He has years of history with her, even if it's thoroughly possible that neither one of them recalls the complete extent of that history at the moment. His hooking up with her for a night of sex is more along the lines of going back to an old girlfriend who he'd always kinda regretted breaking up with on some level - it may be a bad idea, but it's an understandable one. As for the whole face thing, NEITHER ONE OF THEM WANTED FOR HER TO LOOK AT HIS FACE (at least, that's my interpretation). He didn't want her to see it. She didn't WANT to see it. What's the problem?

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(no subject) - [info]muties, 2009-10-01 09:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-10-01 09:10 am UTC
Good post psychop rex - (Anonymous), 2009-10-01 05:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-10-01 09:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-10-01 10:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]box_in_the_box, 2009-10-01 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-10-02 12:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zinda, 2009-10-02 01:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]psychop_rex, 2009-10-02 01:11 am UTC
Ditto! - [info]steverodgers5, 2009-10-04 01:49 pm UTC

[info]thatnickguy
2009-10-01 01:00 pm UTC (link)
I wonde if he wore the old paper bag mask that he did after first getting rid of the symbiote costume? Then it just becomes a superhero version of that issue of Preacher when they bought Arseface a hooker.

Also, how conviently weird is it that the costumes fell in the exact position for cuddling? Maybe it's a kink thing for one of them.

"Spidey, can't we just have sex?"
"NO, CAT! We have to arrange our costumes like this!"

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(no subject) - [info]ashtoreth, 2009-10-01 11:38 pm UTC

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