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Christy (fun_demented) wrote in qaf_coffeeclub,
@ 2009-06-11 16:48:00

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episode: 406, s4

Episode 406
I put something in my journal that I've cross-posted here. The reason I have put it up for further discussion is that vl_redreign raised very convincing arguments against my statement. I am not changing my mind, but I really enjoy and cherish her insights and would welcome yours as well. My view of this scene will definitely be more balanced and enriched now.

Here's what I had posted about the tragically timed fight between Debbie and Vic:

Debbie was gracious about Vic leaving, and then allowing him to set-up house before coming by to see it. He could have invited her over for dinner before the party, no matter how much he understandably was averse to it; after finally feeling free and trying to start anew. So he fucked up. He had a party first. She found out. Fine. He tried to make up with her, she wasn't having it. Debbie was wrong, there. Fine, whatever. But when she went over there to apologize, Vic acted like a royal ass. It really was both of their faults, but Vic was the worst one.

Here's the conversation between Red and me

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firehead30
2009-06-11 08:53 pm UTC (link)

And I always thought Debbie was completely out of line. Selfish and floundering without someone to care for or do for and since that is all she knows and her relationship with Vic was on hiatus, she turned into a complete bitch.

I always thought Vic and Rodney were trying to create a home based on their relationship rather than their relationship with Debbie. She had given them no privacy.

Yes, I do think he should have invited Debbie over. But I also think he was reveling in having his own life back. Yes, he was a bit selfish, but I completely understood.

Debbie was completely and entirely out of line with her comments about wiping his ass. It was as if her caring of him had become a debt he could never repay and she was holding the note over his head.

This arc was probably when I liked Debbie the least.

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	fun_demented 2009-06-11 09:42 pm UTC (link)
	What you've said here, really hits a strong cord in me. I am going to rewatch it. I am thinking I might have thought of it as a debt, too. Which is so wrong. Hm. Checkity checks myself (Reply to this) (Parent)

	vl_redreign 2009-06-11 10:12 pm UTC (link)
	Agreed. Almost like her immediate dislike of Ben when she found out he was positive. But I forgave her part of that, because it was her son, and she knew intimately the dangers inherent there. Still, it was Michael's choice, not hers. And him standing up to her was very brave. (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

firehead30
2009-06-11 10:41 pm UTC (link)

I completely understood her reaction with Michael and Ben. While I would hope I would not react that way, it was from her heart.

What happened between her and Vic was all about her, and her sense of loss for her place in the lives of those she loved, and Vic got the brunt of it.

I cheered Micheal when he stood up to her on that one:-)Michael is very very brave, there are reasons why he is Ben's super hero:-)

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	vl_redreign 2009-06-11 10:47 pm UTC (link)
	Check out my new icon!!! Ben's got mad skillz, yo! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	firehead30 2009-06-11 11:09 pm UTC (link)
	Your icon is completely rocking my socks! Ben the Gangsta! (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread)

	vl_redreign 2009-06-11 11:14 pm UTC (link)
	kari77 made it. (Reply to this) (Parent)

fun_demented
2009-06-11 11:30 pm UTC (link)

I keep thinking about this. I do still think that Vic could have taken care of her a little at this point. She was all alone. And I don't think she was just being selfish. I think she felt lost. I think she felt unloved and alone. I am made at Vic I guess for her, because she can't be. She has to forgive him and be mad at herself because he left.

I just think. I am best friends with my sister. After all our fights. By my standards, Vic was the one that needed to step up and offer the bigger apology. I think Debbie just wanted to hear he missed her. He loved her and appreciated her. I think she gave him all the space in the world once he asked for it.

I understand where Vic was coming from. I have been Vic, in the sense where I've been the one who's wrong. Because I just HAVE to live my life and do what I need to do. But I guess in years I've come to decide taking care of family is more important than freedom.

Debbie needed a little comfort. Vic was not the right place to get it. But I think there are some small kindnesses he could have offered that he just *wouldn't* just *didn't*

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	fun_demented 2009-06-11 11:34 pm UTC (link)
	The word 'left' here means 'died'. I just realized it could seem I meant left the home. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	fun_demented 2009-06-11 11:32 pm UTC (link)
	And when I say I am mad at Vic. I am only mad at him during that episode. I let it go after that. I just ache so much for Debbie. I just. Maybe I am being blind, because I hurt so much for her. I don't know. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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