"Lost cause Sammy. I'm giving it a few more years before some mortal tries to get him committed." He smiled then, "careful Sammy. I know Pride when I hear it. Besides, Falling is as much of a choice as it is something forced on you. And can you be so sure Father hasn't?"
He rolled his eyes, "If you're riding me I want dinner first Sammy." He'd taken the more dirty version of that, but he'd doubted his brother would be surprised. "And I wouldn't touch Eve with a five foot pole. I have standards."
He raised an eyebrow then, "stupidity is the benchmark these days? Lovely."