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The Elf ½ ([info]elfwreck) wrote in [info]metametameta,
@ 2008-03-29 20:47:00

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Where have all the babies gone?
I'm annoyed at the lack of parents in many canons, expecially exotic ones. Specifically, I'm annoyed at the lack of parents of babies and toddlers--we have occasional parents of as young as preteens, but usually teenagers (Molly & Arthur Weasley, Dr. Beverly Crusher, Captain Benjamin Sisko). The O'Briens on DS9 are the only parents of young children I can think of in RL canon with a fan following, and the children were used as a Marriage Troubles Plot Device. (RL canon, as contrasted with The Simpsons or Family Guy, or any of the zillion of kid-focused cartoon shows.) But the O'Briens were very much "couple on a [quasi-]military base"... one of the arguments was that this was not how either of them thought children should be raised.

It makes for an interesting (and annoying) effect when I try to imagine more details about these shows.

Trekkiverse: So, I start to think, if I were a yeoman on the Enterprise (whatever edition), and I fell in love with a nice sexy technician from Engineering, and we decided to emigrate to Pontificus IV, what kind of life might we have? Say we want to raise a family who could be crew on the next wave of Enterprises, two or three decades from now. Well, we're officers from a quasi-military organization, although I suppose we're not career Starfleet; we did our 2-5 years each after our Federation-supplied college education, picked a planet with an agreeable atmosphere and good solid Federation tech (not one of those recent colony worlds with all the problems), and we get jobs. Maybe I get a job as a library data manager. Maybe he gets a job rewiring the city's transit lines. We decide it's time to have a baby...

Then what? Do I stop taking my monthly hormone supplement, or do I visit my med-techie of choice to have my contraceptive implant removed? Or does he get an injection that re-starts his active sperm development? Or do we, for the first time, have sex skin-to-skin instead of through a holodeck illusion?

Erm. Okay, one way or the other, I get pregnant. We have a baby. Then...
I quit my job? I hire a nursemaid? He quits his job? We switch to a job schedule that puts us working opposite shifts? We have a 15 months of parenting leave, like all Federation employees? I bring my baby to work and breastfeed between typing entries in the database? I have a nifty superpump that fits discreetly under my shirt and extracts breastmilk to a refrigerated set of bottles, which we'll feed the baby when I get home? Or they've perfected formula (right down to the stem cells and whoever's holding the baby gets a bottle from the nearest replicator? We use cloth diapers? Paper diapers? Replicated diapers that get recycled right down to their atoms?

A few short months later (my, how time flies when you don't have to actually removed the strained peas from their hair) Baby is starting to move around on zir own, and maybe walk. Baby gets: a sandbox? A swimming pool? A scooter full of blinkie lights that sets off a beeper on my belt when zie falls down? A group of "friends" at the park? (Anyone who thinks 1-yr-old babies has "friends" has delusions. They do have playmates sometimes.) A tutor who begins to teach zir how to read Federation Prime Language? A pack of braintapes and a cyberhelmet?

Fast-forward a few more years; Trekling is ready for school. Zie is taught... to read one language? To read and speak Federation, Vulcan, Bajoran, and a smattering of Klingon? To use a tricorder? To use Ferengi counting beads (but not by the teachers; older kids teach these criminal skills)? The history of Earth? The history of Pontificus IV, and the colonization thereof? The history of the war against the Borg, and how noble Starfleet defeated them? The history of wormhole exploration?

I could continue. There's a great lack of even vague information; I can't put together even a general idea of how Trekkish children are raised.

But there are other canons, right?

Potterverse: Half-muggles have a long and complex history in the Potterverse. Lots of heroes. Lots of villains. Not sure if there's anyone in-between; I don't remember any minor characters who have one muggle parent. But setting that aside... okay, we have a baby. A witchlet or wizling. Our little wibabe gets the best that money can buy or magic can provide, right? A stroller with a non-tipping charm. A mobile of animated pixies. Vaccination shots? Do wizards vaccinate their children? If not, how do they keep them hidden? (Are shots required in the UK?)

If we were muggles, at the age of 4-6, the child would attend school. But Rowling says most wizard kids are homeschooled or home tutored. So... does my darling wibrat go off to public school and terrify the muggles by talking about brooms and wands? Does zie stay home while I learn to keep a garden, and my husband has a job making dragonhide boots at Diagon Alley? (Can I even go to Diagon Alley?) Does my child get a wand as soon as zie is old enough to wave one around, or is that a pre-puberty rite of passage? Can I use some magic items, and if not, can we afford a witchly nanny/assistant, who can calmly levitate my child down from the top of the bookshelf zie's teleported to? Do wibabies terrify their parents with knife-and-fire activities, and how much worse are those than muggle babies' adventures? Are there tiny fairies that are enlisted in the care of wichildren? Those tutors... is it possible I could get a job as one? Can I floo to people's homes, and teach the basics of literacy and mathematics to kids who are eventually going to be able zap their enemies to jelly?

The Potterverse, while it has a lot of focus on the activities of teen children, manages to neatly avoid any consideration of how children younger than about 8 are treated, how they learn, how their families are structured.

Both of those universes are focused on A Series Of Adventures. Perhaps it's reasonable that they offer no details about baby-and-childhood. (We will set aside the issue that the hints we're given about family life often don't seem to make sense, given the tech/magic involved. That's a different essay.)

I can skip over modern-day fandoms like SPN, Buffy, and Due South: I know how children are raised in those worlds. While I deplore the lack of parents shown in them (like we're some kind of hobbyist, roughly equivalent to pizza delivery guys--everyone knows someone who was or is one, but you don't see 'em every day), I at least know how to connect my notions of parenting to their worlds. But the truly exotic worlds, like "400 years from now on another planet" or "world of dragons, unicorns and wizards" should surely have different parenting styles, different ways of raising kids from what I see at the supermarket, different "Make Your Baby Happy/Smart/Calm" products than what I can buy at Target.

On the one hand, it's annoying that there just aren't enough details to even come up with "this is probably roughly what it's like, plus some individual variants." On the other, it's convenient that it's open enough to allow for all sorts of theories to be explored in fanfic... uterine replicators on Federation planets so women don't have to endure the hassle of pregnancy and labor, contraception spells for witches and house elf nannies for baby wizlets. Or maybe clone vats for having identical triplets that are identical to a parent, or babysleep pods growing on giant beanstalks.

We get to decide. We get to explore those ideas any way that strikes our fancy. Maybe some other time I'll grumble about the lack of baby-related fic, and what that implies about our various fandoms. Right now, I'm grumbling about canon and trying to perceive the gaps as fannish opportunities.

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[info]xie_xie_xie
2008-03-30 04:06 am UTC (link)
My fandom has lots of babies!

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[info]xie_xie_xie
2008-03-30 04:07 am UTC (link)
More babies...

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[info]xie_xie_xie
2008-03-30 04:07 am UTC (link)
And more...

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[info]xie_xie_xie
2008-03-30 04:08 am UTC (link)
Yet more...

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[info]xie_xie_xie
2008-03-30 04:10 am UTC (link)
I'd actually have a lot more icons of babies except I'm irritated that they had the lesbians have so many babies, LOL... and I'm also irritated in my fandom how so many women keep tearing the babies away from their mothers and giving them to daddy!Brian and mommydaddy!Justin to raise, just to fulfill their little heteronormative fantasies for them.... but I digress. We do have pregnancies, births, parenting, custody battles, and all kinds of baby plotlines!

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[info]elfwreck
2008-03-30 04:56 am UTC (link)
This is one of those fandoms that takes getting premium channels on cable, or high-speed downloads, isn't it? (It & Torchwood are high on my list of "things to find copies of to watch someday, so I can decide if all the hype is worth it.")

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[info]xie_xie_xie
2008-03-30 04:59 am UTC (link)
I actually never had Showtime (which aired it from 2000-2005). I only saw it on DVD -- a friend bought me the first season as a gift Xmas of 2005, and then I started renting from Netflix and became obsessed and ended up buying all the seasons.

Hope you watch it one day... it's unique, although of course, not for everyone!

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[info]lastscorpion
2008-03-31 07:28 am UTC (link)
I was surprised to find that the DVD's of Queer as Folk were available for rent at my local public library. So that's how I saw them. And Netflix has the DVD's of season one of Torchwood. IMO, both shows are well worth renting. It's a lot cheaper than subscribing to the premium channels, and you don't have to deal with commercials either.

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[info]yourlibrarian
2008-03-30 05:05 pm UTC (link)
I know that shows focusing on the young rarely feature parents because it tends to rob the heros of the show of their autonomy and agency. Even when they're older. In SPN the character of John Winchester basically had to be written out after a few appearances. He was such a strong character and had such a profound influence over his sons, that it would have changed the dynamics of the show. (Which was disappointing to many ;>)

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[info]carenejeans
2008-03-31 05:59 pm UTC (link)
It's not a TV/movie fandom, but there seems to be a fair number of babies (and children, and childbirth) in Terry Pratchett's books. A number of plots and sub-plots start with some kind of special case or mix-up with the way a child is born/raised -- Carrot, Death's "son" Mort and his "granddaughter," Susan Sto Helit (who becomes a governess and grade-school teacher) the Abbott (who is reborn with the memories of all his previous lives intact, but is still an infant) and the child Nanny Ogg delivers in Thief of Time (Nanny Ogg is not only a midwife but has lots of children, and has a great deal of experience with not just babies but how babies are made. *coff* Pratchett fills in a lot of details of family life for his characters, whether human, dwarf, vampire or even troll; and there are often children around.

As for fanfic, there's mpreg. *ducks and runs*

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[info]elfwreck
2008-04-01 04:14 am UTC (link)
I'm not familiar with the Abbott, but I've read most of the Discworld books. I love how Pratchett deals with many aspects of life that other authors won't touch. Of course, that's part of what makes him "funny," in that he deals with all the gritty bits that classic fantasy novels pretend don't exist--unexpected pregnancies, the kid who has to clean the hero's underclothes, the golden throne with the left back leg that wobbles.

I love Nanny Ogg's ability to manage (and manipulate) children.

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[info]karathephantom
2008-04-01 01:41 am UTC (link)
I'm moderately fascinated with the questions as to young children in the Potterverse.

As far as I can tell, in the UK, parents are not required to inform the government that they will homeschool their children, nor are any vaccines compulsory. So it would be fairly easy for wizard parents to homeschool their children just like any normal family until they were old enough to go off to school, albeit with the prescence of magic. Socialization could take place within the wizarding community, etc.

It's a fascinating question, and I'm thrilled that someone asked it, because I wouldn't have thought of it.

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[info]elfwreck
2008-04-01 03:35 am UTC (link)
I've considered that the Weasley kids are possibly the great communicators of the era, because they're AFAIK the only wizarding family with more than two kids, and the only one that got a regular variety of social activity outside of Hogwarts.

It's... a bit creepy, actually, how few kids are in the wizarding world. Makes me think that either they have serious breeding problems (inspiring lots of marriage law/forced bonding fic yay) or a lot more squibs than anyone likes to talk about. (Do they obliviate their squib children and dump them in Muggle orphanages?)

Some friends & I had contemplated how wizards could stay unknown, by basically being "that weird family that's always lived just outside the village." Nobody knows how long they've been there--eighty years? A hundred and fifty? Five hundred? Sometimes you see one of them at the market, but they look funny and nobody talks to them, and once in a long while one of them brings home a wife or a husband, equally weird looking.

Obviously, there's some kind of social activity in the wizarding community; a lot of families know each other. Rowling's said that Hogwarts teaches all the wizarding children in the UK... which makes it a very tiny group (and makes you wonder why the parents didn't freak out even more strongly at the events of the last few years--one major attack successful against Hogwarts and *poof* there goes the generation). So the ties they make at Hogwarts are presumably the foundation of their social groups for the rest of their lives.

Which doesn't explain why the "pureblood" types aren't trying to breed like rabbits. Shouldn't Lucius and Narcissa be trying to churn out an army of blond wizlets for the glory of the Dark Lord?

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[info]pandorasblog
2008-04-01 09:08 pm UTC (link)
You raise some interesting questions. Further to an earlier comment, parents in the UK are required to inform their local board of education if they intend to homeschool their children. You can't get away with just not sending a kid to school - I know, because I was a chronically ill ten-year-old who got a visit from the truant officer despite my headmaster explaining the situation to him.

Of course, this presupposes that the authorities know the kid exists. They find out when the parents register the birth, but it seems likely that the wizarding community would ignore/be unaware of this, and probably have its own registry system (used to generate Hogwarts letters for eleven-year-olds, and keep track of Ministry employees, the floo network and other things of statistical significance). This also raises the possibility that wizards don't exist in any official form: no National Insurance number (required to plug you into the work/pensions system in the UK), no Medical Card, etc. etc...

This would indeed allow the scenario you describe, with the occasional "odd" family in a community being more or less left alone. Britain being what it is, you can imagine that they'd be referred to by other villagers with the words, "They keep themselves to themselves, you know."

The vaccination thing is interesting - I suspect that wizard medicine has found ways round many childhood illnesses. The bigger problem seems to be accidents - I'm always amazed that there aren't more deaths at Hogwarts.

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[info]ms_treesap
2008-04-13 07:35 pm UTC (link)
in the UK, parents are not required to inform the government that they will homeschool their children, nor are any vaccines compulsory.

I'm sure not of the exact details, but someone from the Local Education Authority (LEA) had to legally come and check up on my well-being while I was being home-educated, just to see whether I was happy and learning things :) Vaccines are also preferred, but I never received any after I was five, due to my parents' (well deserved) lack of trust in the medical profession.

Again, this might not apply to Wizarding families anyway with their very different culture.

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[info]briar_pipe
2008-04-09 12:46 am UTC (link)
This is why I love Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan universe. We know exactly how babies are raised - on more than one planet. And the books are still action/adventures.

Also, it's a beef I have with Stargate. Babies don't get shown more than briefly there, and they are always plot devices. Like a child cannot exist except to further some extremely random SF plotline, and the moments between birth and teenager-dom are never shown. The kid just appears later. "Oh look, they're bigger now!"

At least the O'Briens got a plotline that was genuinely related to the children and to the process of being parents. Even if Keiko et al were dumped on Bajor for a while to avoid having to deal. (But I've long since given up expecting DS9-level writing from most SF shows.)

But hey, Keiko was a schoolteacher, so we do at least know something about how school-aged children are educated on a Federation outpost.

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[info]rebeccama
2008-04-14 01:15 am UTC (link)
With film and television some of it is also practical real life considerations- having a young child on set creates additional complications. They can only work a limited number of hours, need tutoring, young ones need someone watching them, etc. It is much easier to have a young looking 18 year old play a teenager.

I think some writers also have an anti-children bias. Having single characters who can date the alien of the week or go off on adventures without being tied down (or worrying about what will happen to their kid(s) if they die) makes adventure writing easier.

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