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Everyone these days is talking about Creation vs Evolution, so I thought it might interest some to see what they actually mean when they say "Creation Science". These notes are from a seminar on tape I used to have, the book is short but the tape was about 5 or 6 hours long. It's called "The Panorama Of Creation". The host is Carl Baugh who has his own TV show entitled Creation in the 21st Century on the Trinity Broadcast Network at 7:30 AM (EST) on Fridays.

Creation Evidence Museum

Search for PANORAMA OF CREATION for the book the seminar was based on.


The Great Deluge:
Mid-oceanic ridge is formed by stellar energy heating up inner core, increasing pressure stretched the earths crust ripping it caused eruption of underground chambers of water. Underlying rock sprang up and continental plate slides away, downhill slope over lubricating layer of water, hydroplates. Hit resistance and buckled. Buckled up: mountain ranges. Buckled down: ocean trenches. By their sliding away, formed deep basins to where the waters retreated forming modern day oceans. Bursting open of those fountains, subterranean chambers (supersonic spray) and that which were the torrential rains from the eruption of the crystaline sphere about the earth (Genesis 7:11- 'windows of Heaven....'). The oceanic ridge is granite.

Conditions under which the 'Arch of Heaven' existed before Deluge:
A firmament of water (Genesis 1:6) Such firmamental features are not uncommon planetary aspects. This firmament in thin metal sheets, transparent in pure state. This crystalline ring called pre-acryllic halo. A pure and transparent gold would filter out cosmic radiation. Water (H20) compressed under super cold circumstances plus electro magnetic field, produces metallic hydrogen. Strong crogenic (frozen) circumstances becomes crystalline mkes pink light. Super conductive fiber optic faromagnetic human clock is set by light, pink light, tranquilizes neral transmitters within human brain. This canopy would filter short wave spectral radiation from the sun and stellar bodies, but would allow long wave and spectral radiation in. A double atmospheric pressure causes extreme growth within genetic bounds (macro-evolution). These conditions would parallel that of a hypoberic chamber, would be embodied with thier full potential. Enriched oxygen generates full brain capacity, therefore in a POST-FLOOD world with diminished magnetism man has begun to de-evolve in not only intelligence but bodily function, life expectancy is shorter. In opposition, pre-flood man: Adam lived 930 yrs, Methuselah lived 969 yrs. A 2.1 eighth atmospheric pressure causes extreme growth. Without protection of crystalline halo: current water cycle. Decay of magnetic field explains diminishing functions and growth of humans. Ultra-violet radiation (short wave-UUV) damage: shin cancers. molecules in atmosphere become free radicals and produce slow dying.

Carl Baughs Case For Instantaneous Creation:
Radioactive chain reactions, uranium and granite paralleling a photographic plate, recording energy levels. Natural decay of uranium captured in the helium 4 molecule is a measurable amount in our atmosphere, shows currently a little over 6600 yrs of decomposition. By product of uranium is helium 4. Magnetic field loses 1 half energy 1400 yrs.
According to Carl Baugh: Every 82 yrs half the worlds population is wiped out by disease, war, plagues, pestilence. Using this formulae, setting the flood as 4300 years ago and multiplying by the families of Noahs sons with a 2 percent growth of population each year is approximately 4.5 billion. Addionally according to life origins by Charles Darwin: add 2 million yrs according to formulae, 41 hundred yrs ago at that rate: 2 x 10 to the 98th power = 16 billion light yrs old. Continuing to expand at that rate leaves not enough space in the universe, 10 to the 81st power of electrons is the maximum.

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Book Review - My Fundamentalist Education


A Book Review: My Fundamentalist Education by Christine Rosen.

This slender memoir (231 pages including the acknowedgements) is the surprisingly sweet story of roughly 10 years in a girl's life in Florida from the mid 70s to the mid 80s. It's a good read, but one for a very limited audience. The title, and the drive behind writing the book, was an attempt to explain what fundamentalist beliefs are and how they shape the children raised in them. This is not, however, an angry expose by a breakaway; Rosen is quite matter-of-fact, humorous and even a little nostalgic as she describes what she thought and felt as she was taught to list the Dispensations, "Walk Thru The Bible," and pledge allegiance to the Christian flag and the Bible, while admitting that she has long since fallen away from that life.

Religious tension runs as an undercurrent throughout the book. Rosen wavers between wanting despearately to be a missionary to rejecting several core teachings, especially when she realized that girls were punished for independence and spirit. Rosen's father and stepmother weren't particularly religious; like many parents, they sent their daughters to the school because it was the best and safest one they could afford, not specifically because it provided religious indoctrination. (Indeed, that indoctrination finally alarms them to the point of withdrawing the girls from Keswick and ending the book.) Rosen tries her underaged best to Save her immediate family, but she is also unprepared to deal with, much less understand, what her birth mother is going through during her brief visitations and custody weekends. The reader will figure out long before the child narrator that "Biomom" is manic-depressive and self-medicating with increasingly hardcore Pentacostal and evangelist churches.

The book is divided into thematic chapters told in chronological order. "Sword of the Spirit" talks about how important the Bible was as the fundamental textbook (while pointing out the desirability of the tabbed Bibles - they gave you an edge in the daily verse-search competitions.) "Here Comes the Son" was about learning about Revelations, and the terror of wondering each time she heard a loud car horn, thinking she was about to be swept away from life before she'd lived it. My favorite chapter was "Heresies" which was about the tension between her interest in evolutionary biology and the creationist teachings she was surrounded with in school, and includes this great paragraph:

I found I didn't like the science I learned at school as much as I had liked it at the science center, where we had learned that part of the appeal of scientific research was the opportunity to do great things in the world with it, like cure diseases and win Nobel Prizes. At school, science was simply another reminder of God's power and of the wonder of His creation. We learned about it so that we could learn more about God, not so that we could use it to do exciting things.

I love that paragraph because I think it sums up the current religio/science situation so nicely.

There are no deep answers here nor major religious insights, but there is a pleasant story and a little bit of understanding of the child's eye view of religion.

x-posted to personal journal

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Creationism Comic - kinda... Ganked from Asatruar

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]silvaerina_tael)

Found this this morning in one of the communitties I'm a part of.


Thought you all might find it amusing.

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Creationism fight spreads to UK schools


The Guardian has this story about the spread of the ID/Creationist rot to their schools. Some excerpts:

Academics fight rise of creationism at universities

· More students believe Darwin got it wrong
· Royal Society challenges 'insidious problem'

Duncan Campbell
Tuesday February 21, 2006
The Guardian

A growing number of science students on British campuses and in sixth form colleges are challenging the theory of evolution and arguing that Darwin was wrong. Some are being failed in university exams because they quote sayings from the Bible or Qur'an as scientific fact and at one sixth form college in London most biology students are now thought to be creationists.

Earlier this month Muslim medical students in London distributed leaflets that dismissed Darwin's theories as false. Evangelical Christian students are also increasingly vocal in challenging the notion of evolution.

In the United States there is growing pressure to teach creationism or "intelligent design" in science classes, despite legal rulings against it. Now similar trends in this country have prompted the Royal Society, Britain's leading scientific academy, to confront the issue head on with a talk entitled Why Creationism is Wrong. The award-winning geneticist and author Steve Jones will deliver the lecture and challenge creationists, Christian and Islamic, to argue their case rationally at the society's event in April.

"There is an insidious and growing problem," said Professor Jones, of University College London. "It's a step back from rationality. They (the creationists) don't have a problem with science, they have a problem with argument. And irrationality is a very infectious disease as we see from the United States."

Gotta give it to the Brits: they call it as it truly is: a disease. And, unlike our apparently spineless US science community, theirs is standing up to this threat and denouncing it for the pure regressive rot that it is.

Most of the next generation of medical and science students could well be creationists, according to a biology teacher at a leading London sixth-form college. "The vast majority of my students now believe in creationism," she said, "and these are thinking young people who are able and articulate and not at the dim end at all. They have extensive booklets on creationism which they put in my pigeon-hole ... it's a bit like the southern states of America." Many of them came from Muslim, Pentecostal or Baptist family backgrounds, she said, and were intending to become pharmacists, doctors, geneticists and neuro-scientists.

There's that 'trained up generation' that the Christcrats have been brainwashing for the last two decades- bright young people who are now taking the rot to a whole new level. These are the New True Believers, who will take their beliefs into the hospitals, labs, and pharmacies of the world, and who will be part and parcel in reversing the forward trend in both science and civil rights.

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Creationism in Britain



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Protecting Pluralistic Democracy In America

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]wyldraven)

Jewish Group Endorses Principles Supporting Pluralistic Democracy

On Monday evening, the Jewish Council for Public Affairs (JCPA) at its 2006 Plenum adopted a resolution on "Protecting Pluralistic Democracy In America".
It is the rights of individuals to adopt religious or scientific explanations for the origins of life, but religious theories should never be taught as science or an alternative to science in public schools.

I am looking forward to reading the entire resolution.

Posted by Howard M. Friedman on Religion Clause

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Liberal theologian makes peace with science

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]vanar_en_daeor)

Rehabilitated by Vatican, Hans Küng reflects on laws of nature and God

Hans Küng is not a man afraid of challenging authority. The liberal Swiss priest has confronted the Vatican so often that he was barred from teaching Catholic theology in 1979 and was long a “persona non grata” in Rome.

He also has clear ideas about where theologians should not tread. The row about evolution and intelligent design, a major issue in the United States, is a case where he says believers should not claim to know more science than the scientists.

As a man of faith, Küng sees God reflected in creation, but says this does not mean the Almighty tinkers with the laws of nature or creates life forms so complex they could not have evolved.

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On a lighter (but still serious) note I would like to direct your attention to the following links.

One is an article by a personal fav blogger Prof. PZ Myers:


It concerns biblically correct tours. This is a group that takes people on tours of natural history museums and gives them the "biblically correct" version of what they find on display. The website for the group involved is hilarious.


One of the bits that just knocked me out of my chair was on their store page about halfway down there is a VHS for Jack Theist Meets Dr. Secular. The description is priceless.


Jack Theist Meets Dr. Secular


Many Christians cower in mindless fear at secularism's persuasive power. Yet, we are exhorted to be transformed by the renewing, not the removing, of our minds. In this video you will hear Dr. Secular's followers chant the merits of a secular worldview. You will witness firsthand its chokehold on our culture. Then watch as Jack Theist destroys Dr. Secular's arguments with Biblical Truth. Once again you will be able to step out into the culture with renewed confidence. As a Christian you have not been given a spirit of fear, but of love and discipline and a sound mind.

On a serious note, this sort of thing does concern me. It could merely be that I am becoming more aware of this sort of thing, but these people seem to be infesting avery aspect of our culture. And even though most of it is painfully pathetic and embarrassingly funny it seems that so many people are buying into it anyway. It has a sort of 1950s body snatchers horror movie aspect to it. Is it really that bad or is it a problem of perspective for me?

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One more... scientists turning to clergy for help in fight against ID

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]exotic_princess)

"We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests," they wrote.

Catholic experts have also joined the movement.

"The intelligent design movement belittles God. It makes God a designer, an engineer," said Vatican Observatory Director George Coyne, an astrophysicist who is also ordained. "The God of religious faith is a god of love. He did not design me."

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Ohio gives ID the boot


This just in: Ohio Board votes out evolution lesson plan

COLUMBUS, Ohio — The Ohio school board voted Tuesday to eliminate a passage in the state's science standards that critics said opened the door to the teaching of intelligent design.

The Ohio Board of Education decided 11-4 to delete material encouraging students to seek evidence for and against evolution.

The 2002 science standards say students should be able to "describe how scientists continue to investigate and critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory." The standards include a disclaimer that they do not require the teaching of intelligent design.

The board vote represents the latest setback for the intelligent design movement, which holds that life is so complex it must have been created by a higher authority.

In December, a federal judge barred the school system in Dover, Pa., from teaching intelligent design alongside evolution in high school biology classes. The judge said that intelligent design is religion masquerading as science, and that teaching it alongside evolution violates the separation of church and state.

And here's a lexicon adjustment for everyone: the ID people are now starting to use "Critical Analysis" in lieu of "Intelligent Design". Heads up, folks- they're not done yet.

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Their Own Version of a Big Bang

From the article:

Evangelist Ken Ham smiled at the 2,300 elementary students packed into pews, their faces rapt. With dinosaur puppets and silly cartoons, he was training them to reject much of geology, paleontology and evolutionary biology as a sinister tangle of lies.

"Boys and girls," Ham said. If a teacher so much as mentions evolution, or the Big Bang, or an era when dinosaurs ruled the Earth, "you put your hand up and you say, 'Excuse me, were you there?' Can you remember that?"

The children roared their assent.

"Sometimes people will answer, 'No, but you weren't there either,' " Ham told them. "Then you say, 'No, I wasn't, but I know someone who was, and I have his book about the history of the world.' " He waved his Bible in the air.

"Who's the only one who's always been there?" Ham asked.

"God!" the boys and girls shouted.

"Who's the only one who knows everything?"


"So who should you always trust, God or the scientists?"

The children answered with a thundering: "God!"

A former high-school biology teacher, Ham travels the nation training children as young as 5 to challenge science orthodoxy. He doesn't engage in the political and legal fights that have erupted over the teaching of evolution. His strategy is more subtle: He aims to give people who trust the biblical account of creation the confidence to defend their views — aggressively. [Emphasis Mine]

My "favorite" line? "We're going to arm you with Christian Patriot missiles," Ham, 54, recently told the 1,200 adults gathered at Calvary Temple here in northern New Jersey.

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Ohio Expected to Rein In Class Linked to Intelligent Design


February 14, 2006
From The New York Times
Dealing with these people is like being pecked to death by ducks )

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Darwin Day a celebration of the birthday of Charles Darwin. Not to be confused with Darwin Awards day, which is marked by college students lying down drunk min the middle of the road, cleaning chimney's with hand grenades, and leaping into the pool from the third floor roof.

I'm surprised that numerous churchs are joining in the celebration actually. Perhaps there's hope yet.

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"Evolution Sunday" A breath of fresh air


Could it be that the forces of common sense are stirring awake and to action? Consider Evolution Sunday, and the declaration by several thousand clergy and churches that science and religious beliefs can peacefully coexist:

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.

So much for the 'wedge'. This is very encouraging. It's February 12th, by the way.

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The Wedge

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]squidflakes)

This may have been posted before, but I think it would warrent a repeat viewing.

This is a link to the Center for Renewal of Culture and Science's Mission Statement, called the Wedge Strategy. These are the same people who claim that Design Theory is pure science, and not dressed up creationism.


Interesting how they seem to want to use ID non-sense to discriminate against homosexuals. (see Section 5, item number 4, in their 5 Year Plan)

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Know your Creationists; know your friends


This excellent Kos Diary has an excellent and in-depth interview with Dr. Wesley Elsberry of the National Center for Science Education. His testimony was instrumental in winning the Dover PA intelligent design trial.

Do you feel that Separation of Church and State is integral to the health of the nation and to the integrity of religious freedom for every American? Are you worried your community may become the next national embarrassment, solely because of a few knuckle dragging anti-science demagogues dominating your local school board? Or maybe you're an atheist, an agnostic, or progressive Christian, who is sick and tired of religion being hijacked to fill the coffers of political opportunists and right-wing ideologues? Perhaps you're a science teacher? If so, I have a friend I'd like you to meet: His job is to help you, and with a little help from his friends, it's a job he's exceedingly good at it.

Dr. Wesley Elsberry works for the National Center for Science Education, which means he works for anyone who values science and science ed. Wesley and the NCSE were a driving force behind the recent win in the Dover, Pa. Intelligent Design Creationism case. And he is something else: Living proof that not only can you be a Christian and embrace science, you can actively work to expose and defeat those who would happily cast you or your religious friends as ignorant dopes in order advance the most un-American policies in living memory. I had a chance to chat with Wesley and ask him about the recent victory, future battles, his religious beliefs, and related issues. His answers below are illuminating; his critique of purveyors of anti-science who misuse his own Christian faith, is sharp.

Go read it. It's very enlightening.

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Megachurches: According To A Frenchman

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]multiclassgeek)

Tonight's editon of "The Daily Show" featured an interview with the French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy, who was promoting his book, American Vertigo.

During his interview he cut straight to the heart of the Christian Church's problem in America; In reference to MegaChurches (Willow Creek in particular), he said "There's a lot of good people out there, but there's also a lot of crooks". He then then went on to rail against the teaching of ID as science, and to give huge credit to Bono (who, he suiggested, would be a good guest for the show).

Not exacly an in-depth analysis of the issues, but it certainly made a good point, and thus I considered it woth a mention here.

Go here and click on the "Watch Bernard-Henri Levy" link to hear it in full.

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Intelligent Design, Dominionists and Farming

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In the brouhaha over "Intelligent Design, one thing is over looked: the difference in the way Man (Adam) is created... In hebrew, the Earth is called "Adamah", and Man, "Adam". Man being created from the very Earth itself. essentially, then "ID-ers" are calling everyone what racists have long referred to African-Americans, namely "mud people".... In the Sumerian Creation, Man is the creation of the gods Enki and Mami and the sacrifice of a rebel god

The Sumerian Creation

When in the Heights... )

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Creationist Fossil Digs

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]britzkrieg)

(AgapePress) - A Florida ministry is allowing Christians to experience God's creation while studying the intricacies of its design. Creation Expeditions was founded four years ago by Peter DeRosa and his family as a way for believers to get a better understanding of biblical creation through first-hand experiences.

Creation Expeditions takes vacationing families and individuals on fossil-digging trips to Colorado, the South Dakota Badlands, the Peace River region in Florida, and other parts of the U.S. to dig for fossil remains. Visitors can also go to the ministry's headquarters, which lies about 80 miles north of Tampa, to help clean and put together fossilized bones and to take part in other educational, fun and interesting activities.

"We do hands-on excavating with these families," DeRosa says, "and they have an opportunity to come out in the field to see the evidences right before them of the Great Flood. We give them foundations in creation science, and also, the opportunity to have the Book of Genesis come alive for them."

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Somehow...this seems On Topic


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