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Follow up to the Heretical Preacher post.

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]kittynboi)

One thing in that interview stood out in particular.

"" Fundamentalists aren’t the evil people, they’re the canary in the coal mine. They’re the early warning system that says, something about the liberal vision of this society has lost its center and it’s destabilizing and dangerous. And they’re correct. But fundamentalism and fascism cannot make us humane. They can provide a stable society but not a humane one. To do that you have to have a bigger vision.""

This fascinates me, and I think it's well put. I'd like a discussion on this. Is the current popularity of fundamentalism attributable, even in part, to some kind of failure, or losing-its-way, on the part of liberal society, liberal democracy?

Has out society, as a pluralistic one, failed in some measure, or is it missing something, or is there something wrong with it, that makes fundamentalism and totalitarinism and dominionism appealing?

I think this could be part of it, but there are other factors, such as the loss of power by priveleged classes, ignorance, and a huge number of economic and political factors.

What are everyones thoughts on this?

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First Level of the Rabbit Hole

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]thornewilder)

The burrows go on forever! Just when you think you have a connection clarified, on it goes. I don't know where this tunnel will end, but I will post things as I uncover them.

My starting plan was to help dogemperor with the Big NOLA list. I was suspicious of a local national/international relief organization - Northwest Medical Teams.
I became suspicious when they attended a Full Gospel Business Men "Mayors Prayer Breakfast" AFTER they had been informed that FGBMFI went ON THE RECORD last year not allowing a Muslim Iman to lead a prayer. FGBMFI "interfaith cover" was blown.
I was suprised when NW Medical Teams attended the event even with the knowledge, so I made a note to dig deeper.

Stories about the Prayer Breakfast

http://chuckcurrie.blogs.com/chuck_currie/2004/04/prayer_breakfas.html
http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2005/09/bigots-at-it-again-with-exclusionary.html

When digging stuff up a number of names surfaced. For those of you who are bona fide researchers I am sure bells will ring: Greg Feste, Malachai Foundation, Council on National Policy, Morning Star International, Champions for Christ, Every Nation. Ultimately...that history was way too convoluted for me to follow and I decided it was not relevant to NW Med Teams per se. I just wanted folks to know as you dig, things come up.

ENTER: Pastors Resource Council, stated to be organized by Tony Perkins of the Louisiana Family Foundation. Names: Lee Dominique and Tony Perkins
http://www.bethany.com/katrina-relief.php

The Pastors Resource Council has a Compassion Fund, on the bottom of their page, they are copyrighted by Chest of Joash.
http://www.prccompassion.org/aboutus/default.aspx

Chest of Joash is registered with the Louisiana Secretary of State:
http://www.sec.state.la.us/cgibin?rqstyp=crpdtl&rqsdta=36011304X
Names associated with Chest of Joash:
Riley Hagen, S.Chris Herndon, W.Lee Dominique (oh, snap!)
PLUS its mailing address is SUGAR LAND TEXAS.

On the PRCCompassion site, there is a list of their "Partners"
On this list is the "Northwest Medical Teams, President Bas Vanderzalm"
http://www.prcompassion.org/partners/default.aspx

Information on Bas Vanderzalm, from NW Medical Leadership page
Teamshttp://www.nwmedicalteams.org/who_we_are/our_leadership.html

Note: Previous Jobs of Bas Vanderzalm:
Salvation Army Harbor Light Center Boston AND World Relief
(Both of which are on Dogemperor's Big NOLA list as Bad Guys)

Other Information:
http://www.aerdo.org/members/organizations/northwest_medical_teams.html

SO, I leave this in your able hands. Where does NW Medical Teams fit on the NOLA list? This rabbit hole goes deeper...more to come

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In a Nutshell: Marching Orders

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]sunfell)

Ever wondered how the heck the Republican Party became so populated by Dominionists? Here's a peek at their 'marching orders' from Pat Robertson, circa 1986:

How to Participate in a Political Party

Rule the world for God.
Give the impression that you are there to work for the party, not push an ideology.
Hide your strength.
Don't flaunt your Christianity.
Christians need to take leadership positions. Party officers control political parties and so it is very important that mature Christians have a majority of leadership positions, God willing.



There it is- in a nutshell. Let's break it down, shall we?

"Rule the world for God." Pretty much what the Dominionists want to do, to hasten the Second Coming.

"Give the impression that you are there to work for the party, not push an ideology." This is the top level of their stealth and deception: pretending to be just your regular party worker, not some flaming religious zealot out to rule the world for God.

"Hide your strength." "Don't flaunt your Christianity." I expect that this was probably the hardest for these sheepskin-wearing Christians to do. Pretend to be just another citizen, while fooling people into thinking that you don't have ulterior motives until...

"Christians need to take leadership positions. Party officers control political parties and so it is very important that mature Christians have a majority of leadership positions, God willing." The coup. Take over the school board, the town, county, and state governments. Take over mainline congregations. Take over the media airwaves. Take over the Republican party. Take over the country. Take over the world.

They've gotten to the White House using these tactics, folks, but it seems that their stealth is no longer serving them because folks like us are pulling off their sheepskin, revealing the wolves beneath. They're still formidible adversaries- listen to them creating the artificial "We're being persecuted!" dust storm when someone says, "Happy Holidays" or questions having a creche without other secular items on government property.

We have to keep uncovering them. We have to make it impossible for them to do anything without revealing their true intentions. They make it impossible for anyone to run for a public office without being some kind of churchgoer. We have to make it impossible for them to pretend to be something other than the deceptive people that they are.

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The right approach to Intelligent Design

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]hummingwolf)

University to Teach 'Intelligent Design' as Myth

LAWRENCE, Kan. (AP) -- Creationism and intelligent design are going to be studied at the University of Kansas, but not in the way advocated by opponents of the theory of evolution.

A course being offered next semester by the university religious studies department is titled "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies.''

"The KU faculty has had enough,'' said Paul Mirecki, department chairman.

"Creationism is mythology,'' Mirecki said. "Intelligent design is mythology. It's not science. They try to make it sound like science. It clearly is not.''

The [info]livescience page also has links to a variety of related pages, including their more detailed special report on Evolution & Intelligent Design.

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The Dominionist Universe

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]sunfell)

Mother Jones has a great illustration of the various Dominionist organizations and their relationship to one another here.

You can click on the pictures to be taken to their websites.

Check it out!

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Evangelism in the Workplace

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]sunfell)

While reading an article on Talk To Action, I found links to two articles about evangelism in the workplace. I thought I'd share them with you.

Christianity in the workplace
Can faith and work share space?


The U.S. Small Business Administration, the Better Business Bureau and the commissioner of the revenue have no category for them. They have no official logo and no trade union. These businesses rank from the Fortune 500 to the not so fortunate. They employ handfuls or hundreds and string from Honolulu to Hartford.

They are Christian-owned and Christian-run businesses, and depending on your persuasion, you may be inclined to swear by them – or at them. But one thing is for certain: It’s harder these days to spot what’s what.

“It’s such an organic thing,” said Randy Singer, an attorney-turned-missions-executive from Hampton Roads who travels across the country teaching what it means to be a Christian businessperson. He is also an adjunct professor at Regent University.

“I’m seeing a lot of blurring between what a Christian business is and what a secular business is. People are integrating spiritual aspects of their lives into the workplace, which is driven by this macro-force of blurring the lines between work and other parts of our lives. Many people are working from home. Fewer people are punching time clocks. When that happens, you can’t compartmentalize faith and work. They blend together.”

But do they blend, or do they slam into a head-on collision? When should Christian employers ’fess up to their faith, and when will their transparency land them in the middle of a lawsuit? What follows is a look at how some Christian business educators and Christian business owners approach those questions, and how a sampling of the secular community responds.


This article has some excellent questions about handling religion in the workplace.

The following article is a stark illustration of that 'stealth dominionism' that is creeping out under the cover of government and starting to strangle our rights.

Justice Unit Puts Its Focus on Faith --
A little-known civil rights office has been busily defending religious groups.


One of the main jobs at the Justice Department is enforcing the nation's civil rights laws. So when a nonprofit group was accused of employment discrimination last year in New York, the department moved swiftly to intervene -- but not on the side one might expect.

The Salvation Army was accused in a lawsuit of imposing a new religious litmus test on employees hired with millions of dollars in public funds.

When employees complained that they were being required to embrace Jesus Christ to keep their jobs, the Justice Department's civil rights division took the side of the Salvation Army.

Defending the right of an employer using public funds to discriminate is one of the more provocative steps taken by a little-known arm of the civil rights division and its special counsel for religious discrimination.

The Justice Department's religious-rights unit, established three years ago, has launched a quiet but ambitious effort aimed at rectifying what the Bush administration views as years of illegal discrimination against religious groups and their followers.

Many court decisions have affirmed the rights of individuals in the public sector not to have religious beliefs imposed on them -- the Supreme Court ruling banning school-sponsored prayer in public schools among them. And courts have ruled that the rights of religious groups sometimes need protection too -- upholding, for example, their right to have access to public buildings for meetings.

But the argument that a religious institution spending public funds has the right to require employees to embrace its beliefs -- and that it will be backed by the Justice Department in doing so -- has changed the debate. It is an argument the Bush administration is making in Congress as well as in the courts.


If anyone knows if this case has been ruled on yet, let me know. It's a very critical case, as you can see.

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LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]njtech)

Ha-Ha. The best part about this story is it's taking place in the middle of the Bible belt.

University of Kansas to teach ID... as part of a course on mythology

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MoJo article

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]sunfell)

Susan Jacoby's Mother Jones article is a real study of history and what happens if you ignore it. I highly recommend it. But it was the last paragraph that really got my attention:

Handed a tabula rasa by a public uneducated in civics, right-wing revisionists are free to ignore not only the strong anticlerical views of so many of the nation's first leaders but also their loathing of all entanglements between religion and government. "Oh! Lord!" Adams complained in 1817 to his old friend and rival Jefferson. "Do you think that a Protestant Popedom is annihilated in America? Do you recollect, or have you ever attended to the ecclesiastical Strifes in Maryland, Pensilvania, New York, and every part of New England? What a mercy it is that these People cannot whip and crop, and pillory and roast, as yet in the U.S.! If they could they would." [emphasis mine -ed]

If they could they would. Wherever and whenever they could, they did—and that is why the revolutionary generation bequeathed the unique gift of a secular Constitution to future Americans. Here is the real history lesson, straight from the pens of the founders, that ought to be taught—and is too often ignored—in every American public school.


If you read the words of the hard core center of the Dominionist movement, you will see their almost gleeful desire to restore "Gods Law" to the land- basically following and enforcing the worst of the 613 laws of the Old Testement. They will kill homosexuals, adulterors (especially women) children who are 'willful', and pretty much anyone they perceive as an 'enemy of God's law'. They are already practicing on their own children, are raising up a generation who will think nothing of whipping and punishing their fellow humans in the name of God.

It's really ironic that nearly 300 years ago, people left Europe to escape that (or establish their own mini-cults) and deliberately created a Constitution that walled that kind of cruelty and legalistic interpretation of the Bible out of our laws. Now, people are chipping away at that wall- bulldozing it, even, and are champing at the bit to reinstate the 'whip and crop, and pillory and roast' as the law here. This isn't a 'might' kind of objective for the Dominionists, it's a 'will'- if they take over entirely.

If you get a chance, read Susan's book, "Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism". It's an eye-opening history lesson.

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Taxing an Unfriendly Church

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]nebris)

A New York Times Editorial

Shortly before the last election, a former rector at All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena, Calif., gave a fiery antipoverty and antiwar sermon. He did not endorse a presidential candidate, but he criticized President Bush's policies in Iraq and at home. Now the Internal Revenue Service has challenged the church's tax-exempt status. It's important to know just how the tax police have chosen this church - and other congregations - to pursue after an election that energized churchgoers of most denominations.

I.R.S. officials have said about 20 churches are being investigated for activities across the political spectrum that could jeopardize their tax status. The agency is barred by law from revealing which churches, but officials have said these targets were chosen by a team of civil servants, not political appointees, at the Treasury Department. The I.R.S. argues that freedom of religion does not grant freedom from taxes if churches engage in politics.

That should mean that the 2004 presidential campaign would be an extremely fertile field. While some churches allowed Democrats to speak from the pulpit, the conservative Christians last year mounted an especially intense - and successful - drive to keep President Bush in office. Some issued voter guides that pointedly showed how their own religion was allied with Mr. Bush's views. Several Roman Catholic bishops even suggested that a vote for John Kerry would be a mortal sin. Since the election, Republicans have held two openly political nationally televised revival meetings at churches to support Mr. Bush's judicial nominations.

If the I.R.S. is pursuing any of those churches, we certainly have not heard from them about it. All Saints in Pasadena has released copies of the letter from the I.R.S., along with tapes of the sermon and a defense of the church's antiwar mission going back to the days when church leaders protested internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. The I.R.S. letter stated that the agency had "concerns" about a sermon by the Rev. George Regas that The Los Angeles Times called "a searing indictment of the Bush administration's policies in Iraq."

Church leaders have hired lawyers and refused to agree to a settlement that requires them to admit that the sermon was over the line drawn by the I.R.S. The Rev. J. Edwin Bacon, the rector of All Saints, told parishioners that the church would continue to resist the government's efforts. That sounds right. With the feverish courting of religious voters these days, the I.R.S. does have the daunting task of separating politics from church policy. Still, it would seem to be hard to justify picking on a church that has a long record of opposition to wars waged by leaders from both parties.

I know this has been noted here before, but it's nice to a nation news outlet make some noise about it.

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Rogers Piercy declared war on the Salvation Army

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]usafpa)

http://www.nptimes.com/May00/mayfro1.html

http://www.rain.org/pipermail/nonprofit/2002-July/000463.html

There's very little online about Rogers Piercy and what he knows, or believes he knows. He's been sending them letters detailing their faults for a long time. I'd love to see all his writings. I don't know if he still does this. I've just spent a little time searching him on a couple different search engines, and while he pops up shining the light on them in a couple forums, I haven't found a webpage where he posts all his letters.

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