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Link Recommendation

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]neadods)

I have recently discovered http://www.jesusonthefamily.org/, billed as "Politics for People Who Think. It is a Christian site against dominionism, and has links to article such as "Bush's Bomb-Threat Nation: Do You Feel Safer Now?" ""I'm Ready to Die" Fundamentalist Christianity Instills a Depressing-- and Dangerous--Nihilism," and "Why Conservative Christians Fear Tolerance, Parts 1 & 2: 1-Making Tolerance a Sin, 2-Those Liberal Southern Baptists!"

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LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]kiji_kat)

If this article is to be believed, women's rights could soon take a flying leap back to the 1950s.

Personally, I don't know if I could go through with an abortion unless it was an extreme circumstance. However, I think it is vital that women have access to safe, professional abortions if they feel they must make that choice. It's worrisome that someone could let their religious views cloud their judgement and deny women a right to health, privacy, and proper medical care.

Current Mood: worried
Current Music: Led Zeppelin - Moby Dick
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Dominionist hate crime against Catholic church in AL

http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/1129454355261710.xml&coll=1&thispage=1
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/051004/church.shtml
http://www.hartselleenquirer.com/articles/2005/10/05/news/news1.txt
http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/1128417430152490.xml&coll=1
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/opinion/editorials/051009a.shtml
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=3931806&nav=0hBE
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/051003/assault.shtml
http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/1128503864150130.xml&coll=1
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051005/NEWS02/510050350/1009

Two persons--neither of which are from the Hartselle, AL area--interrupted a Mass held at a Hartselle-area Catholic church and attempted to destroy the altar claiming they did so "on orders from God".

The article does not detail which churches they are affiliated with, but the description of theology by the two persons (being held in jail) indicate they may be involved in the "third wave"/"spiritual warfare" flavours of dominionism. There are also indications the reason they destroyed objects in the church is on account they saw people in the church as "worshipping objects".

In fact, per statements from witnesses (http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/1129454346261710.xml&coll=1) the church invaders were accusing the church of "idol worship" before the attempt to destroy the altar.

Per other reports (http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/051005/church.shtml) the persons who disrupted the service have been in town for approximately one month, mostly in libraries reading "religious books"; http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=3931897&nav=0hBE has a video interview with a neighbour of one of the persons accused of attacking the altar.

At least one report (http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2005/10/05/suspect_says_attack_on_church_followed_vision_from_god/) indicates they may have even felt the present pope was the Antichrist.

The second article is especially telling in regards to the potential involvement of dominionist groups into "deliverance ministry/spiritual warfare", as they are reported to have harassed a coffeeshop owner (who has also been subjected to hate speech due to claims he is having Wiccan meetings in the coffeeshop--see http://www.hartselleenquirer.com/articles/2005/09/28/news/news1.txt for further details) and who in fact were called to the area because of the article re the coffeeshop in the Hartselle Enquirer.

Per http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/051017/church.shtml the FBI is now investigating the act as a hate crime.

I am noting this as a) this sort of theology is very common in dominionist circles (in that, especially in regards to dominionist groups practicing "third wave" and/or "latter rain" theology it is literally preached that people are being used as "God's puppets" to institute a theocracy) and b) I intend to post a very large post to this community later today regarding dominionism (and in particular the groups associated with dominionism) as coercive groups.

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'Righist' Christians attempting to destroy mainline churches

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]sunfell)

This Talk to Action article talks about the overt and protracted attempts to 'undermine and destroy' mainline churches in the US.

Rev. John Thomas, president of the United Church of Christ acknowledged on Friday what mainline church leaders have been reluctant to address for two decades. The rightist Institute on Religion and Democracy (IRD) and allied groups are seeking to undermine if not destroy the mainline Christian churches in the United States.

The conservative movement and parts of the corporate sector have loathed the rise of the social gospel in the mainline churches for a century. They have loathed the social justice traditions that were catalysts for the civil rights movement, women's rights, and principled opposition to the excesses of American foreign policy from Vietnam to Central America. [emphasis mine- ed] It was the latter that led to the formation of the IRD as a hub of antichurch organizing. Since then, IRD-affiliated "renewal" groups have been at the center of nearly every controversy in mainline Christianity -- most recently, but certainly not exclusively, issues of gay and lesbian equality in church and public life.


Read the whole article. If you do not believe that the extreme right is out to destroy all churches that are either progressive or 'not Christian enough', this might help to convince you that it is true.

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Something to keep in mind...

LJ-SEC: (ORIGINALLY POSTED BY [info]scarcrest)

I had a long entry ready to post, put it in my own journal by mistake, copied it to paste here, deleted it from my journal, accidentally hit "copy" again and thus lost it. Just as well: Part of it was me posting something on behalf of a non-member who's now joining in order to post it herself.

But the point: The community info page here says this is a community to look at the malevolent side of Christianity. It also says, very clearly, that this isn't a journal for bashing Christianity as a whole. (If one wants to join a community for discussing the traumas the Christian faith has brought upon oneself, might I recommend [info]exchristians.)

As [info]kitten_goddess pointed out earlier, it's important that, in our fight against the monster of Dominion Theology, we not become the same intolerant ideologues that we're fighting. As [info]neadods points out, the enemy we oppose is also striking out against moderate and liberal Christian groups.

Some people in this community are Christians. Others (myself included) are not. But we have a common enemy. Even if we don't see eye to eye in a theological sense, rampaging against any Christian who walks through the door will only drive away allies in the fight against Dobson and his ilk.

Look at it this way: If a person's diagnosed with cancer, the first course of treatment suggested by an oncologist is probably not going to be "Take him out back and put two bullets in his head." Fundamentalism is a cancer that invades a religion; even if it can't be eradicated, it can be put into remission. We can't stop people from engaging in willful ignorance or stop them from wanting to keep others in the dark with them, but we can mobilize voters to get to the polls and crush their efforts to put their puppets into power.

We can't take away the "Christian Taliban" faction's freedom to believe or to discuss their beliefs; we can, through joining our efforts with moderate to liberal Christians, push them back toward a marginal position over time. Nontheists such as myself, and members of earth-centered religions will likely remain in a minority for the foreseeable future; making alliances with tolerant Christians is our best chance at having any sort of civil rights protection from state-sponsored religion.

Just my two cents' worth.

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Dominionism as cult/coercive religious group; an analysis (part 1 of 2)

I had originally intended this as a reply to this post but due to the length of the post I am actually going to set up a dedicated post for this (also so, hopefully, it doesn't get lost in the clutter).

Dominionism, both in and of itself and in the religious and other groups associated with dominionism, share enough characteristics with groups traditionally considered coercive groups (or "cults", in the case of coercive religious groups) that the groups associated with dominionism, and likely the entire dominionist movement itself, are better seen as a coercive religious group *in and of itself* rather than as a strictly political movement. It is my belief (as a walkaway and as an informal researcher) that it is likely impossible to fully understand dominionism (as a political movement) unless one sees the political aspects of dominionism in a larger context of a general coercive mindset existing in the "parent" groups of the dominionist movement.

In this post, I will directly compare lists of coercive tactics used by four groups active in research of coercive groups (FACTnet's summary of research by Dr Margaret Thaler Singer, info from Rick Ross Institute, info from Steven Hassan's "Freedom of Mind", and lists from the International Cultic Studies Association (a group, ironically, that had to change its original name, the American Family Foundation, due to confusion with the dominionist group American Family Association)) in comparison with coercive tactics used in the dominionist community at large and with specific aspects of the dominionist community in particular.

Comparison 1: Coercive tactics of dominionist groups as evaluated per Dr Margaret Thaler Singer's checklists )

Comparison 2: Coerciveness of dominionist groups per Robert Lifton's models of thought reform )

Comparison 3: Rick Ross's list of coerciveness as compared to dominionist groups )

Well, as the next two lists are fairly long, there'll be a part 2 to this. Part 2 will actually focus entirely on the BITE model (due to the fact the BITE model is a *very* extensive checklist).

(EDIT: Cleaned up the formatting. And hoooo boy, did the formatting need a cleaning!)

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