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Username Purge (an update)

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Username Purge (an update)

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This is going to take probable 3-4 weeks to get all of the inactive accounts as there are a lot of them and I don't want to kill the servers doing this.

As always you can see what usernames are available here.

http://www.insanejournal.com/purged_usernames.bml
  • To interact, that's why. Very few people who come here write private updates and then disappear. They come here with the point of meeting people with similar interests, or interacting, or playing a roleplaying game. Once the interaction stops, you stop logging in to check it, then what? You expect that what you wrote over a year and 5 months ago will remain intact for eternity?

    Unfortunately this is a website, and that data has to be maintained on a server, and that server is run through cables/electricity, and is at it's very basis costing the website money each and every day to maintain.

    It's not a journal that you can write in and cement into a wall and forget about. A paper journal is self-sustaining, requires no outside resources. It's not an external harddrive you can add data too and then unhook from your computer and the wall and leave alone. It constantly has to be maintained to allow people who want to interact with it to be able to access that data.
    • I don't think interaction is the only point behind it. I put time and effort into my roleplaying and not just on my own journals, but on other people's journals. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that time and effort to be reflected on the website as long as it's still running. Especially since a lot of users do help pay for those servers by purchasing paid time and permanent accounts.
      • But see, roleplaying is a form of interaction. You say you'd like that time and effort to be reflected, but for whom? Yourself? Then you can save it onto a personal storage unit and access it whenever you'd like. For others? That is interaction. And if you'd like to continue interacting with the users of the website, then is it too much to log in once a year to make sure that you can sustain that? Because the date he chose was a year and 5 months ago. If you haven't logged into your journal since then, does that really showcase your willingness to display your roleplay and maintain it?

        Other people do support the website, but as ~squeaky said in another post, he is barely above water currently with the amount of lost traffic (which is lost ad revenue) and the amount of journals the website has to maintain. I think he's going about this very fairly. There are many administrators who would not even bother informing it's users that their journal has been deleted, or that they are at risk of losing their content. He's giving everyone fair warning, he's making no rash decisions (because as he stated previously, people have been asking for this purge for months) and he's responding to comments and providing information in a timely manner. What more can you really ask for?
        • This.

          And not only is ~squeaky giving fair warning, but you have an additional 14 days to save those journals and their content. It's not like everything is being deleted right away.
          • I can't access the journals of other people to save the content there, though. Which is my issue.
            • Actually... if we're talking community wise, then the journal and the stuff they posted is still there, or at least it should still be there. If we're talking about actual content in their own journal, well then that sucks.

              Unfortunately, ~squeaky has bigger problems to tend to than a few missed journal entries from roleplayers. He needs to make room for data, and for new users who might actually use the journals he's purging instead of sit on them like a 2 year old claiming a toy as theirs and theirs alone yet never playing with it. Yeah, it sucks. I'd hate to lose some of the stuff I've written over the years I've been here, but that's why I ran to go back up the things I remembered liking. And I did all of that ages ago.

              In the end, it's really no one else's fault but your own, for lack of a better way to say it. Sorry.
              • Maybe it is no one else's fault but my own, but considering Squeaky supposedly listens to the users, especially taking into account that this purge is being done at user request, I'm a user and I'm expressing my displeasure with how things are being done. You disagree with me and that's fine. But I don't like how this purge is being handled.
                • Well, from what I understand, if the deletion and such just started yesterday then those journals that have been purged probably weren't done by ~squeaky and co. More likely that the user deleted them beforehand and they were recently purged. So it's possible that that isn't ~squeaky's fault at all.

                  You're allowed to not like how it's being handled. I understand. It was a bit of a shock that there was actually going to be a purge on this wide scale, but if I remember correctly in my knowledge of IJ history, there was one a year or two back already. It just seems like a logical way to go if we want to clear up space.
          • I appreciate the warning, I really do. I understand why it has to be done and what the purpose of it is (lord knows I've stumbled upon a few sns that I desperately wanted but the journals were just sitting there empty and unused). I know that my frustration is namely borne from the fact that I went to look at a set of icons that I had found yesterday and today the journal has been deleted and purged. I didn't think of saving them because they didn't belong to me and I wasn't certain I was going to use them. I know that I can attempt to refind them in google cache, but it is the sort of thing that makes me a little irritated. I didn't make them, so I feel weird moving them to another place just on the off-chance that I'll want them.

            But that's just my two cents.
            • If they were deleted and purged, then it has nothing to do with this current process.
            • Ahh, I sincerely hate when that happens. I usually just blame the icon maker though. But if you can find them via Google cache, then you can probably access their photobucket or whatever image host site they use and get those icons? I've had to do that before.
        • I honestly don't think we were given fair warning. The purge was announced yesterday and begun yesterday. Fair warning would have been giving us some time to back things up before they were deleted. I don't like that journals with content are being deleted, but I am willing to backup stuff that I do want to hold on to and I would have liked a little more time to do that at least.

          As for lost traffic, though, that's awful, but the way this purge is being handled has left a bad taste in my mouth. I have a few journals who whose paid accounts need renewing and I have a few new journals I was considering buying paid accounts for, but I don't think I am now. I don't see any point in paying for something that the site's owner doesn't consider important enough to hang on to. I see where you're coming from, but I still don't agree. I think the data we users put into the website is just as important as moving a few usernames.
          • I'm backing mine up now. It's seriously as simple as sending an e-mail to yourself and logging into a couple accounts. And you have two weeks to do it. People have been requesting for this to happen for over a year. I think that's a fair warning.

            And, honestly, you knew that purges happened when you signed up for IJ.
            • Like I said below, I'm not referring to my own journals. I know it's as simple as logging in with my own. And I may have known purges would happen, but I didn't know the details involved with the purge. I don't want to say I'd have reconsidered joining, but I'd have gone about things differently if I'd known. Even LJ counts entries as a journal being active.
          • Deleted does not mean that your data has been removed. It is just a status that your journal is set to. This gives you a whole two weeks to switch a single toggle to restore access to your account.

            This is the same method we have used in previous purges.
            • I'm not referring to my own journals. I'm referring to the journals of people who I've roleplayed with who no longer roleplay.
          • Deleted does not mean purged though. He gives very clear instructions into how to restore the account, and once you do that you can let it sit there another year and a half without touching it and it won't be effected until the next purge. You can restore it and walk away and save the fruits of your labor whenever you get around to it. There is no need to save it in the next 14 days. All you need to do is change it from Deleted to Activated and you're good to go.

            Why is it the site owners responsibility to judge what is worth holding onto? I've received 6 emails in the last hour about old accounts being deleted, and honestly it's a reminder to me of what's worth holding onto and what I don't need anymore. The data is important, sure. It's a part of the site. What the real issue is is what the purpose of the site is, which all, again, goes back to interaction. Your data may be important to you, but it stopped being a part of the community when you stopped being willing to interact with it. When you stopped logging in. Your data is still affecting the community and the website and it's servers, and is a cause of sacrifice for other users who are here now and want their content to be maintained on a website that works. Why should anything or anyone or any website have to sit and wait for you to be interested in it again?

            All you have to do is change the account to Activated and everything is fine. It's as easy as logging in in the last year and five months would have been, but apparently it's too much to ask. How is it not fair for you to ask ~squeaky to maintain your data when all he asks of you in return is that you log in and show that you are still a part of the community?

            I really just want to let this go and agree to disagree, but at the same I feel like you are upset not because of the process, but because you're being inconvenienced. Be mindful and aware of the impact your data has on the website as a whole, log in and show that you are still a part of the community and would like to give people the opportunity to access your data, and there would never be a problem with your journals in the first place. This is not a data storage website, this is a blogging website with a community of real people, that is supported through ad revenue, money, electricity, time and energy spent by ~squeaky, and the interaction of the members of this site.
          • And this goes for the journals of other users as well (I just saw your other comments). Upon receiving the email, if they decide they are no longer interested in maintaining their presence in the community, then that is there place to judge and not your own. Knowledge of this process will help you be aware in the future, and perhaps when you've interacted and then finished your interaction, you can save that data to look back on beyond the point of their own personal interest.
            • Trust me, I would not be bothering with commenting if I were just inconvenienced by having to reactivate my own journals. That's not my issue at all. I know it's a few mouse clicks and I'm cool with having to do so to free up usernames that are being squatted on. I am definitely willing to agree to disagree on the saving data, but I still think a little more warning would have been nice if he's not willing to make allowances for journals that have entries in them. That's my biggest issue. Because I'm not even at my own computer right now so I can't scramble to save stuff I really want to hang on to.
              • Your concern makes more sense now that I understand what you're getting at, so I'm sorry if I was being a little aggressive. I agree that a warning ahead of time would have been good, if you think about data from other users you cannot save because the journal is already inaccessible.
                • That's EXACTLY what I mean and I'm sorry I wasn't more clear on that before.
                  • It's perfectly fine, I took what you were saying as in regards to your own data, and so I had tunnel vision. I'm glad we could clarify it, because that concern is legitimate. Giving a heads up a few weeks in advanced would have helped in that case, absolutely.
          • I don't see any point in paying for something that the site's owner doesn't consider important enough to hang on to.

            Haha, I feel bad playing devil's advocate again, but yk it's nothing personal. :> The thing is, that aspect isn't really Squeak's prerogative? Whether or not the data is deemed as important enough to hang onto depends on the journal owners. If they get the email and can't be bothered to undelete their journals, then it's their choice and their responsibility -- then it evidently didn't mean enough to them, who are the main people it matters for, really. And if they've moved on from their email accounts and haven't set up email forwarding, then it's also their bad for not thinking ahead to preserve their possibly-precious data, not IJ's. A year and a half is quite a long time. Stuff can't just jangle around cluttering up the servers indefinitely.

            (And I've already seen one girl on my flist return and be like "oh hi, just popping my head in because I got this slew of notifs, what's up guys?", so I know that it's not impossible. It might still happen for some of the journals you're bummed about!)

            I know that you guys preferred LJ's method, but just voicing from the other camp: I actually think that LJ's purges were extremely inefficient, because accounts could go unused for like, 6 years but still never be cleared out because they had one entry going "hi testing". There are tons of pointless journals like that that no one cares about, but they're never caught in the purge, due to LJ's relaxed algorithm. IJ's might be operating on stricter guidelines, but it gets the job done and owners have the legit opportunity to undelete.

            But! Different strokes for different people. I get that my ~reasoning~ probs won't sway any minds, but I just wanted to toss in these two cents (or two dollars, as it were). :D
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